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Santos Dumont 03-22-2018 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2556666)
I hope you are right, but I expect United to require the CRJ pilot to be based at IAD.

All one has to do is ask XJT about the program to see how one works. The closer someone comes to qualifying for the interview, the more likely they are to stay if they want to fly for United.

The 4 year degree requirement already knocks out a lot of Mesa pilots.

Difficult, DFW, PHX and SDF pilots can be deadheaded to IAD to cover United flights. It would not be fair for them to be excluded from the program. Besides, I can't see how it would work... will the AA bases (except for the lifers and whatnot) become junior all of the sudden while everyone fights for IAD? The need to figure that out...

calmwinds 03-22-2018 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2556881)
Difficult, DFW, PHX and SDF pilots can be deadheaded to IAD to cover United flights. It would not be fair for them to be excluded from the program. Besides, I can't see how it would work... will the AA bases (except for the lifers and whatnot) become junior all of the sudden while everyone fights for IAD? The need to figure that out...

You may be right. United might not care if they help American system recruit and retain pilots. (Mesa CRJ pilots are part of the American system). United may be all in and this may be just a recruiting ploy for their own mainline pilots. (I doubt it). However, JO has been asking United for this over a year and United has to be holding back for over a year.

So, maybe, the 121 hours are those flown on the UAX branded planes or routes? That would be pretty easy for Mesa to figure out.

By the way, XJT doesn’t have this problem. Their American system pilots are exclusively on the CRJ and excluded. It will be interesting seeing how the agreement sorts this out.

giggity37 03-23-2018 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2556476)

Absolutely none of us at United care if you have “suffered” at Mesa and feel you deserve to come here without meeting a pretty basic requirement for a career opportunity that wasnt earned, rather lucked into because United and Mesa can’t staff the operation without dangling this carrot.

To the good guys at Mesa that understand how fortunate they are to have this opportunity, I wish you all good luck in the interview and hope to see you on property soon.


Thanks for the information. Can’t wait for the extreme gift of getting a interview after flying their passengers for 6+ years. Preaching to us about earning a job while you all are hiring CFI’s. Not all of us want to work for the dumpster fire that is united.

deltajuliet 03-23-2018 04:25 AM

Well... I would. And in the United forums there’s the thread where United pilots discredit and condemn the CFI-UAL program while qualified and hard working professionals can’t get a call.

Sonny Crockett 03-23-2018 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2556994)
Well... I would. And in the United forums there’s the thread where United pilots discredit and condemn the CFI-UAL program while qualified and hard working professionals can’t get a call.

Yes, a lot of us do not think this is right..... we know we have 1000's of high time RJ Capt's that we can hire!

I am mentoring/helping a few CRJ Capt's as we speak....one was told recently at a job fair that is 7000 TT and 2000 PIC 121 was on the high side and they prefer more along the lines around 3000TT :eek:

Puzzle Palace never fails to amaze me....

AboveMins 03-23-2018 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by giggity37 (Post 2556978)
Thanks for the information. Can’t wait for the extreme gift of getting a interview after flying their passengers for 6+ years. Preaching to us about earning a job while you all are hiring CFI’s. Not all of us want to work for the dumpster fire that is united.

Agreed, my friend! Ask any XJT pilot what the success rate of their CPP is. Not the tripe that the company and the union feed you, but the actual numbers. It's abysmal. Not to mention if you're one of the ones who actually makes it into the program, you're under a microscope until the day you start at UAL, which could take who knows how long, since their hiring projections are figured out by chimps hurling feces at a wall in the Denver zoo.

bnkangle 03-23-2018 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 2557014)

I am mentoring/helping a few CRJ Capt's as we speak....one was told recently at a job fair that is 7000 TT and 2000 PIC 121 was on the high side and they prefer more along the lines around 3000TT :eek:

So what you’re saying is when I transfer my logbooks to an electronic format, I should conveniently omit about 1000 hrs of my dual given skyhawk time???

PowderFinger 03-23-2018 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by giggity37 (Post 2556978)
Thanks for the information. Can’t wait for the extreme gift of getting a interview after flying their passengers for 6+ years. Preaching to us about earning a job while you all are hiring CFI’s. Not all of us want to work for the dumpster fire that is united.

Attitude and outlook on life can represent quite a challenge for some applicants ... Regardless of where they apply. Just saying.

giggity37 03-23-2018 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2557133)
Attitude and outlook on life can represent quite a challenge for some applicants ... Regardless of where they apply. Just saying.

That’s why southwest is a better company. You can’t determine good candidates with a stupid hogan test or by some hr guy/gal who isn’t a pilot. Pilot referals used to actually mean something. So many great guys/gals have been passed up and southwest has immediately picked them up. When almost half the flying is outsourced.... offering a “interview” after so many years at the sweat shop is laughable and one of the worst carrots in this industry.

John Carr 03-23-2018 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 2557014)
I am mentoring/helping a few CRJ Capt's as we speak....one was told recently at a job fair that is 7000 TT and 2000 PIC 121 was on the high side and they prefer more along the lines around 3000TT :eek:

It seems less prevalent now that when the hiring started.

But sometimes the rep/'recruiter" at the job fair is a little out of touch so to speak.

2016 stats;

Average TT 55XX
Average PIC 29XX
Average Turbine 48XX


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