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No Land 3 09-28-2019 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2894557)
...That pilot with 20 years on the rj has a ton of experience to know what matters, and what doesn’t. They do just fine.

Hard in which way? My time at the regionals was some of the most fun I ever had, but my difficulties were centered around crew interactions every once in a while or holding my tongue in front of a passenger which I often failed to do.
20 years of flying a CRJ doesn't prepare you for international charter work, going to places that a typical DL/UA/AA pilot will never see. There's a ton more to learn. However, learning that stuff isn't the issue. I can tell you at 39, I am no where near as sharp as I was when I was in flight school, or even a newhire at Mesa. My experience helps make up for where my brain is starting to fail me, and it ****es me off.

Itsajob 09-29-2019 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2895173)
Hard in which way? My time at the regionals was some of the most fun I ever had, but my difficulties were centered around crew interactions every once in a while or holding my tongue in front of a passenger which I often failed to do.
20 years of flying a CRJ doesn't prepare you for international charter work, going to places that a typical DL/UA/AA pilot will never see. There's a ton more to learn. However, learning that stuff isn't the issue. I can tell you at 39, I am no where near as sharp as I was when I was in flight school, or even a newhire at Mesa. My experience helps make up for where my brain is starting to fail me, and it ****es me off.

Hard work as in 4+ legs per day, long days, short nights, little pay, dealing with brand new pilots on their first jet and having to play flight instructor, the whipsaw........ Speaking as an older guy (50), I don’t really see any different in ability in people my age, what I see is a difference in give a s#!t. The older pilots are mostly tired of this and don’t want to deal with another school. I think that those who have trouble, regardless of age, is more related to the individual level of effort, rather than ability. Since this is about the United CCP, the training here is extremely spoon fed. We have people come from all backgrounds and all ages. The vast majority do fine if they have a good attitude and put in the hours. Those who wash out result from a lack of personal input and effort. I’ll admit that the thought process slows as you age, but not enough to present an obstacle to completing training. Not here.

MD-11Loader 10-03-2019 02:37 PM

My buddy is upgrading at Mesa and says that as of today you’re getting flow to UA? I take everything he says with two grains of salt.

SureJetz 10-03-2019 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2897766)
My buddy is upgrading at Mesa and says that as of today you’re getting flow to UA? I take everything he says with two grains of salt.

Not even close. It's the CPP with more hoops. It's worse.

United:

"What is the selection process?
 If you meet all the eligibility requirements described above, you can apply to Aviate
via AirlineApps.com and via the United portal. Both a profile in AirlineApps.com
and United are required to be completed to continue in the selection process.
 Once your application is submitted, the United hiring team will complete an initial
screening. If selected to continue in the screening process, United will invite to you
interview at the Denver Training Center (or other location, as determined by
United).
 You will spend half a day onsite for the interview, which includes the following four
sections: 1. a panel interview consisting of behavioral-based questions; 2. a
technical interview consisting of aviation-specific topics; 3. a computer-based Leadership Inventory and 4. a computer-based Becoming United cultural
assessment
 Finally, a Board of Review will evaluate your overall application and extend an offer to join Aviate if all screening criteria are met.




American Wholly Owned:

-Complete Initial Interview successfully with carrier and pass training
-Don't be a dirtbag

MD-11Loader 10-03-2019 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by SureJetz (Post 2897784)
Not even close. It's the CPP with more hoops. It's worse.

United:

"What is the selection process?
 If you meet all the eligibility requirements described above, you can apply to Aviate
via AirlineApps.com and via the United portal. Both a profile in AirlineApps.com
and United are required to be completed to continue in the selection process.
 Once your application is submitted, the United hiring team will complete an initial
screening. If selected to continue in the screening process, United will invite to you
interview at the Denver Training Center (or other location, as determined by
United).
 You will spend half a day onsite for the interview, which includes the following four
sections: 1. a panel interview consisting of behavioral-based questions; 2. a
technical interview consisting of aviation-specific topics; 3. a computer-based Leadership Inventory and 4. a computer-based Becoming United cultural
assessment
 Finally, a Board of Review will evaluate your overall application and extend an offer to join Aviate if all screening criteria are met.




American Wholly Owned:

-Complete Initial Interview successfully with carrier and pass training
-Don't be a dirtbag

Well he is kind of an idiot, so it makes sense that he got it wrong. This sounds a lot like the Propel program at Delta. Now kids coming out of college are going to come fly UA Express planes then jump over the captains in the left seat because UA has already vetted them. Meanwhile captains with thousands of hours can’t get a call.

NovemberBravo 10-03-2019 04:08 PM

Not sure why they claimed industry leading. It’s the CPP but less vague. Looks like it’s open to all Mesa pilots now nothing said you have to be on the united side. From my understanding of it.

backtoregionals 10-03-2019 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2897766)
My buddy is upgrading at Mesa and says that as of today you’re getting flow to UA? I take everything he says with two grains of salt.

Your buddy is an idiot. United never had a “flow”, and they never will.

SureJetz 10-03-2019 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2897825)
Well he is kind of an idiot, so it makes sense that he got it wrong. This sounds a lot like the Propel program at Delta. Now kids coming out of college are going to come fly UA Express planes then jump over the captains in the left seat because UA has already vetted them. Meanwhile captains with thousands of hours can’t get a call.

Captains at Mesa are still in the running assuming they didn't fail the CPP twice or a combination of CPP and off the street.

Varsity 10-03-2019 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by B757 (Post 2895162)
..I disagree..Having done this move myself, and watched a few of my senior colleaques fail their training, I can tell you from experience that it is not so easy..20+ years on the CRJ is not going to help you much, when learning to fly an airplane that´s built a half a century ago..Boeing is a completely different beast, especially the earlier ones..

..Age and experience usually helps you in aviation..Sometimes not..

Fly safe,
B757

What major is flying Boeing's from half a century ago?

I've never seen a regional captain struggle in training. ever.

SureJetz 10-03-2019 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2897910)
What major is flying Boeing's from half a century ago?

I've never seen a regional captain struggle in training. ever.

Oh, you've never heard of Canadian North flying those 737-200's up to BFE Canada? They've had a bunch of people fail out with thousands of hours on those CRJ's.... They can't hack those steam gauges and those archaic turbojet engines with no FADEC's...

This dude is probably some crusty old guy who hates RJ pilots..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_North


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