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John Carr 12-18-2018 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2727239)
Just heard ExpressJet is sending 40 in the next United class and Mesa is sending 0 (zero) through their respective CPP programs.


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2727311)
I don’t know about 40, but I know United is running 2 classes in January and 3 classes in February, so a large number of XJT should be going over the next 2 months.

It probably got confused/conflated to mean that roughly 40 will go in TOTAL in the 5 planned classes.

Hou757 12-18-2018 09:18 AM

They've been taking about 20 per month from XJT.

calmwinds 12-18-2018 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2727332)
They've been taking about 20 per month from XJT.

That may accelerate and be more in line with CommutAir’s percentage of pilots.

PhantomHawk 12-18-2018 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2727360)
That may accelerate and be more in line with CommutAir’s percentage of pilots.

Doubt it. The rate we are losing people is already crippling XJT. If UAL owns it, they have a vested interest in NOT draining the staffing levels until they can attract new talent. As of now, that attraction is not there.

calmwinds 12-18-2018 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2727375)
Doubt it. The rate we are losing people is already crippling XJT. If UAL owns it, they have a vested interest in NOT draining the staffing levels until they can attract new talent. As of now, that attraction is not there.

If UAL owns Xjet, they have a vested interest in making Xjet a viable regional and able to recruit new hires —— without being unfair to CommutAir pilots. They have the greater vested interested in a constant stream of pilots to the mothership.

CommutAir Pilots will pick up the slack on the E145 than Xjet is able to do.

How far down into the seniority list is the CPP going at Xjet?

PontiusPilot 12-18-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2727382)
How far down into the seniority list is the CPP going at Xjet?

2007 hires will be going over the next couple of months. After them, 2011 hires will be going. There’s a gap between 2007 and 2011 on our seniority list when there was essentially no hiring.

Hou757 12-18-2018 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2727396)
2007 hires will be going over the next couple of months. After them, 2011 hires will be going. There’s a gap between 2007 and 2011 on our seniority list when there was essentially no hiring.


I truly expect XJT to have the fastest CPP route to United with in the next 6 months.

calmwinds 12-18-2018 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2727428)
I truly expect XJT to have the fastest CPP route to United with in the next 6 months.

Given the CommutAir is the same ownership model as Xjet is headed toward, I would expect it to improve. I am not sure you will get to 2 years and change in 6 months but I expect it to improve as well.

Let’s see who loses the 700’s and whether any of Mesa’a CPA’s are renewed. So far, I have done pretty good with predictions. I didn’t think United would give the CPP to Mesa just to screw them over, but who really knows. I expect United will have to roll out retention bonuses for those flying the 700 soon.

flynd94 12-18-2018 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2727547)
Given the CommutAir is the same ownership model as Xjet is headed toward, I would expect it to improve. I am not sure you will get to 2 years and change in 6 months but I expect it to improve as well.

Let’s see who loses the 700’s and whether any of Mesa’a CPA’s are renewed. So far, I have done pretty good with predictions. I didn’t think United would give the CPP to Mesa just to screw them over, but who really knows. I expect United will have to roll out retention bonuses for those flying the 700 soon.


He gets the 2 years from the fact that the CPP hasn’t been live at Xjet that long. I took the hogan 5/16, finally got an interview in 1/18 and I should be in new hire by 3/19. I am a 8/07 hire date. By May we will have 2011 hire dates heading over. Barely in the CPP for 2 years.

calmwinds 12-18-2018 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2727574)
He gets the 2 years from the fact that the CPP hasn’t been live at Xjet that long. I took the hogan 5/16, finally got an interview in 1/18 and I should be in new hire by 3/19. I am a 8/07 hire date. By May we will have 2011 hire dates heading over. Barely in the CPP for 2 years.

We have been in the CPP for 3 months and our seniority is down to 4 years. CommutAir has been in it just a little longer and their doh at CommutAir to doh at United is just over 2 and 1/2 years.

So, I can understand his point but new hires will look at how long if we go to Xjet before we are at United.


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