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20sx 10-24-2018 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2696447)
Glad about that. Hopefully, some more Mesa guys will escape. Do we know the class date given by United on the last batch?

Don’t have dates yet. Some that passed the interview still might not get the job. Too much sick leave, calling out sick on a holiday, medical or fmla....all disqualifying events. This program seems a bit illegal if fmla is not even allowed. Maybe you’ve heard otherwise about this.

calmwinds 10-24-2018 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2696751)
Don’t have dates yet. Some that passed the interview still might not get the job. Too much sick leave, calling out sick on a holiday, medical or fmla....all disqualifying events. This program seems a bit illegal if fmla is not even allowed. Maybe you’ve heard otherwise about this.

I heard the absence stuff was all checked before the interview. That getting passed the interview process was pretty much a lock unless something showed up in background checks.

bnkangle 10-24-2018 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2696723)
Since we’re on the topic, would it be so terrible to just have one pilot fly it, and fly it like normal? It’s nothing crazy, just a little lower.

1200 RVR is crazy. I hope that was demonstrated to you in the sim at some point.

20sx 10-24-2018 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2696754)
I heard the absence stuff was all checked before the interview. That getting passed the interview process was pretty much a lock unless something showed up in background checks.

Talk to Ian, see what he says.

deltajuliet 10-24-2018 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by bnkangle (Post 2696852)
1200 RVR is crazy. I hope that was demonstrated to you in the sim at some point.

I guess. So why add an exchange of controls during the most critical moment of the whole thing? Heck, a lot of people could land blind just using the “50, 40, 30...” callouts. And sometimes they do (ever landed in Phoenix during sunset?).

calmwinds 10-24-2018 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2696885)
Talk to Ian, see what he says.

What does Ian know? I know he has been to Denver, but 3 of these guys I have spoke with think they are in the “pool”.

PhantomHawk 10-24-2018 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2697108)
What does Ian know? I know he has been to Denver, but 3 of these guys I have spoke with think they are in the “pool”.

I can’t speak for the Mesa CPP, but this isn’t how it works for the XJT CPP. Getting past the interview means you’re in “the pool”, but it doesn’t mean you’ve got a CJO yet. The letter that United sends you is VERY CLEAR about this fact. When your number comes up, United does a final review of your stuff, including absences and discipline as well as training records. This review goes back 24 months. I kinda doubt yours is any different. Of absences were checked before the interview, what would prevent a successful candidate from draining their sick time between the interview and the CJO? In other words, these guys might be in “the pool”.......but they are making a huge mistake if they think they’ve “got the job already”. You don’t have the job until your ass is sitting in a new-hire class.....and even then you’re still there on a probationary basis.

calmwinds 10-24-2018 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2697169)
I can’t speak for the Mesa CPP, but this isn’t how it works for the XJT CPP. Getting past the interview means you’re in “the pool”, but it doesn’t mean you’ve got a CJO yet. The letter that United sends you is VERY CLEAR about this fact. When your number comes up, United does a final review of your stuff, including absences and discipline as well as training records. This review goes back 24 months. I kinda doubt yours is any different. Of absences were checked before the interview, what would prevent a successful candidate from draining their sick time between the interview and the CJO? In other words, these guys might be in “the pool”.......but they are making a huge mistake if they think they’ve “got the job already”. You don’t have the job until your ass is sitting in a new-hire class.....and even then you’re still there on a probationary basis.

That makes sense that they would recheck after the CJO. I suppose some jack asses decide to drain the sick leave without thinking United would recheck.

PhantomHawk 10-24-2018 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2697218)
That makes sense that they would recheck after the CJO. I suppose some jack asses decide to drain the sick leave without thinking United would recheck.

That’s not what I said, either. The CJO doesn’t come until AFTER the final review. Let’s recap.....successful Hogan leads to an interview. Successful interview leads to placement in the “pool”. That’s not a UAL pool....it’s a Mesa pool. When your number gets close enough to be considered, you will be asked to update your application for final review. At this point, they will check to see if you have a degree, look at all your qualifications, training records, disciplinary file, and attendance record. Only after you pass that point are you given a CJO. CJO means conditional job offer, and that’s the first time you will hear the words JOB OFFER. At that point, the “conditional” part is the same as an off the street hire. Criminal records and that sort of thing will be checked. Prior to that, there is no CJO. You’re much closer than the others......but you’re not in until you’re in.

calmwinds 10-24-2018 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2697260)
That’s not what I said, either. The CJO doesn’t come until AFTER the final review. Let’s recap.....successful Hogan leads to an interview. Successful interview leads to placement in the “pool”. That’s not a UAL pool....it’s a Mesa pool. When your noumber gets close enough to be considered, you will be asked to update your application for final review. At this point, they will check to see if you have a degree, look at all your qualifications, training records, disciplinary file, and attendance record. Only after you pass that point are you given a CJO. CJO means conditional job offer, and that’s the first time you will hear the words JOB OFFER. At that point, the “conditional” part is the same as an off the street hire. Criminal records and that sort of thing will be checked. Prior to that, there is no CJO. You’re much closer than the others......but you’re not in until you’re in.

All I know is CommutAir has the fastest doh to doh with around 30 months. Our 4-5 year guys are now getting the Hogan in our second round. We are a ways behind that.

Since we had zero in the pool before this round of interviews, whenever they pluck people out of the pool, I would expect them to get their applications considered first.

When is the next United new hire class?


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