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No Land 3 10-27-2018 12:55 PM

If we do a cat2, might as well be a cat3 and let autoland do its thing, especially since we start flaring at the 50ft call out.

Arliss 10-29-2018 09:08 AM

Outside here. We use the same Cat 2 procedure at Xjet and have been for years. It's really not hard. Me and my sim partner did one during CTP, I was in the left seat, sim partner with no jet experience was in the right. We saw the runway and landed. It's really not a hard procedure at all. Relax.

We have an entire briefing and systems check that's performed before the approach, along with modified checklists and callouts. We also do the approach flaps 22 to facilitate an easier go around from 100 feet.

We're also supposed to use this procedure any time the RVR is less than 4000 or 3/4 mile.

flyguy727 10-31-2018 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by njd1 (Post 2697899)
Republic CAT2 SOP is FO flies, CA watches FO, and then looks for the runway -- particularly after the "approaching minimums" auto call. If runway in sight, CA bumps FO's hands off the throttles, says "landing", and plants the airplane while the FO stays on instruments all the way to the ground. If the runway never comes into view, CA stays silent and FO waits for "minimums" auto call, then calls GA, TOGA, Flaps 2 and completes a coupled missed. Piece of cake.

Bumps the hand of the throttles???
Some of these companies have these odd methods of doing things, that make no sense. Cat 2 and when you grow up Cat 3 PF should always be in control, all the way to the landing. None of that, exchange of controls 50, 30 ft of the ground.

calmwinds 10-31-2018 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy727 (Post 2700408)
Bumps the hand of the throttles???
Some of these companies have these odd methods of doing things, that make no sense. Cat 2 and when you grow up Cat 3 PF should always be in control, all the way to the landing. None of that, exchange of controls 50, 30 ft of the ground.

It is a holdover procedure that some of the majors used to use back in the dark ages of aviation. It simply has carried over to some regionals.

The thought process was and is simple. The person looking outside for the runway is in the best position to transition and land the airplane.

And, on a CAT II, the transition of controls occurs between 200 and 100 feet off the runway - not at 50 or 30 feet. If it hasn’t occurred by 100 feet, a missed approach is executed.

On a happier note, our pilots in the CPP pool received class dates at United.

20sx 10-31-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2700417)
It is a holdover procedure that some of the majors used to use back in the dark ages of aviation. It simply has carried over to some regionals.

The thought process was and is simple. The person looking outside for the runway is in the best position to transition and land the airplane.

And, on a CAT II, the transition of controls occurs between 200 and 100 feet off the runway - not at 50 or 30 feet. If it hasn’t occurred by 100 feet, a missed approach is executed.

On a happier note, our pilots in the CPP pool received class dates at United.

Class dates or interview dates? I haven't heard of class dates yet.

njd1 10-31-2018 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2700417)
The thought process was and is simple. The person looking outside for the runway is in the best position to transition and land the airplane.

That was the justification they gave us.

calmwinds 11-01-2018 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2700556)
Class dates or interview dates? I haven't heard of class dates yet.

I heard class dates. Interview were weeks ago. Our second round are getting interviews now.

One thing for sure. This isn’t a scam just to attract pilots for Mesa. United is taking our best captains and without any regard to what it does to our program.

20sx 11-01-2018 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2700977)
I heard class dates. Interview were weeks ago. Our second round are getting interviews now.

One thing for sure. This isn’t a scam just to attract pilots for Mesa. United is taking our best captains and without any regard to what it does to our program.

I'm hearing class dates now too. Not many yet, but it's a start.

bnkangle 11-01-2018 06:20 AM

Best in what regard? Stick and rudder, extracurricular activities?

calmwinds 11-01-2018 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by bnkangle (Post 2701055)
Best in what regard? Stick and rudder, extracurricular activities?

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