November 6

XJT pilots on the CPP should be towards the end of 2005 DOH's

I’m not going into details but one pilot does fly it. While the other looks out the window for the airport. I think Mesas approved procedure is sound and reasonable.

Having done it and participated in the trial period, I have to agree that it is a valid way of doing it, but I also fully understand how others on the outside would think it is absolutely crazy

Including one FAA observer who sat in my jumpseat during his debrief.... he was the program manager for a different regional on the 175.

You people scare me. The captain is looking out the window - ready to land. The fo is TOTALLY on the instruments. It’s hardly an exchange it’s kick off the AP and land. Who’s the better on to land in this situation? If it’s not clear - you scare me.

I struggle with why it is that hard too. I don’t have a problem with the exchange of controls. The new check list should help. My complaint about the callouts is the crew is making too many callouts at a critical phase of flight - just when ATC is calling, particularly during practice CAT II’s when ATC is trying to squeeze in a ton of planes with 3 or 4 miles in trail. I also wonder how many captains practice a CAT II with their FO.

Line check pilots should have the authority to take the crews off the line over a botched CAT II. And, line check pilots should have the same failure rate as the FAA and for the same reasons. If a crew messes up with an FAA observer in the jump seat, they should be pulled off the line. When the pilots see that the company is serious, then they will get serious.

Republic CAT2 SOP is FO flies, CA watches FO, and then looks for the runway -- particularly after the "approaching minimums" auto call. If runway in sight, CA bumps FO's hands off the throttles, says "landing", and plants the airplane while the FO stays on instruments all the way to the ground. If the runway never comes into view, CA stays silent and FO waits for "minimums" auto call, then calls GA, TOGA, Flaps 2 and completes a coupled missed. Piece of cake.

When it’s vfr isn’t time to practice. But when it’s Imc - nobody is talking to you during the callouts (crj) which all happen after handoff to the tower. Atc can pound sand at that point. We are flying the plane. The calls all start at 1000 above da. The pf makes only two calls. 100 above DH and missed approach. There’s no atc interference at that point. Ejet May differ. I’ve never seen your procedure.

Best practice time is in actual imc brcause you aren’t doing visuals and it’s not so busy.

Ours much the same.

You don’t get a choice of the wx conditions when a FAA observers show up to watch the crew perform a mock CAT II. If you can’t do it in VMC conditions, you aren’t going to pass.