Why Mesa has bad reputation?
04-21-2018 | 08:46 AM
#101
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[QUOTE=NovemberBravo;2577137]
The PRIA doesn’t show all the training. Only the major events. An applicant has to sign a specific release to have ALL their training records released. Most regionals don’t care to go through the bother of a special release and contacting the other airline for specific details.
And, anyone who lies on their application deserves being fired. If you can’t pass your checkride or oral here, you can’t pass it anywhere. They shouldn’t be flying until they have real experience.
And, anyone who lies on their application deserves being fired. If you can’t pass your checkride or oral here, you can’t pass it anywhere. They shouldn’t be flying until they have real experience.
04-21-2018 | 08:49 AM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;2577028]
He was in the CRJ, he passed all his training, got to sim 8 repeated twice, and they let him go. One mistake ws done by the PM, not resetting his altitude when called for, on top of that, according to what I read, from the letter they gave him, he was being terminated. Now he has to carry a termination for the rest of his life, no matter, where he goes. I told him not to put Mesa down, and keep it moving.
He did repeat two other sim sessions, once. But still.
He got screwed over by someone, and I think it was his flight instructor.
You are taking a risk with your career coming here.
Taking a risk coming here?
You're taking a risk going anywhere!
A simple type rating at Pan Am Miami gets you 6 sim sessions, then on to your checkride session.
Mesa gets you 8, last year was actually 10 on the E-Jet, before you go to the checkride. What do you expect?
Spirit gets you 4 Sessions, let that one sink in slowly...
My buddy at Go Jet just had 20 out of 24 failing Captain upgrade. How is that for being on your record?
He was in the CRJ, he passed all his training, got to sim 8 repeated twice, and they let him go. One mistake ws done by the PM, not resetting his altitude when called for, on top of that, according to what I read, from the letter they gave him, he was being terminated. Now he has to carry a termination for the rest of his life, no matter, where he goes. I told him not to put Mesa down, and keep it moving.
He did repeat two other sim sessions, once. But still.
He got screwed over by someone, and I think it was his flight instructor.
You are taking a risk with your career coming here.
You're taking a risk going anywhere!
A simple type rating at Pan Am Miami gets you 6 sim sessions, then on to your checkride session.
Mesa gets you 8, last year was actually 10 on the E-Jet, before you go to the checkride. What do you expect?
Spirit gets you 4 Sessions, let that one sink in slowly...
My buddy at Go Jet just had 20 out of 24 failing Captain upgrade. How is that for being on your record?
04-21-2018 | 09:07 AM
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There was a time you gained experience on different airplanes as you gained hours. You would work as CFI for a bit, then go fly cargo for a bit then on to a regional. Now you go from a 172 into a ERJ 175. Without gain any meaningful flying experience. What happens is that now your training program has been affected. Many are overwhelmed by the complexity of the airplane. All that translates to higherase failure rates not higher training cost.
The blind leading the blind?
04-21-2018 | 03:41 PM
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Taking a risk coming here?
You're taking a risk going anywhere!
A simple type rating at Pan Am Miami gets you 6 sim sessions, then on to your checkride session.
Mesa gets you 8, last year was actually 10 on the E-Jet, before you go to the checkride. What do you expect?
Spirit gets you 4 Sessions, let that one sink in slowly...
My buddy at Go Jet just had 20 out of 24 failing Captain upgrade. How is that for being on your record?
04-21-2018 | 03:47 PM
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He was in the CRJ, he passed all his training, got to sim 8 repeated twice, and they let him go. One mistake ws done by the PM, not resetting his altitude when called for, on top of that, according to what I read, from the letter they gave him, he was being terminated. Now he has to carry a termination for the rest of his life, no matter, where he goes.
I told him not to put Mesa down, and keep it moving.
He did repeat two other sim sessions, once. But still.
He got screwed over by someone, and I think it was his flight instructor.
You are taking a risk with your career coming here.
He will just have to explain how the training was....pretty much everyone knows that Mesa’s training is crap, so it’s not going to be a surprise to the next airline he applies to.
04-21-2018 | 05:44 PM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;2577028]
He was in the CRJ, he passed all his training, got to sim 8 repeated twice, and they let him go. One mistake ws done by the PM, not resetting his altitude when called for, on top of that, according to what I read, from the letter they gave him, he was being terminated. Now he has to carry a termination for the rest of his life, no matter, where he goes. I told him not to put Mesa down, and keep it moving.
He did repeat two other sim sessions, once. But still.
He got screwed over by someone, and I think it was his flight instructor.
You are taking a risk with your career coming here.
I mean, that's 12 or 13 sims, Mesa is pretty forgiving honestly, he must have just not been getting it. Repeating a sim for the pm not setting the altitude when he called for it does not sound like a sim lesson fail, and highly highly doubt it was due to just that. There must have been more than one small issue like that which made them think he isn't right for the job.
He was in the CRJ, he passed all his training, got to sim 8 repeated twice, and they let him go. One mistake ws done by the PM, not resetting his altitude when called for, on top of that, according to what I read, from the letter they gave him, he was being terminated. Now he has to carry a termination for the rest of his life, no matter, where he goes. I told him not to put Mesa down, and keep it moving.
He did repeat two other sim sessions, once. But still.
He got screwed over by someone, and I think it was his flight instructor.
You are taking a risk with your career coming here.
04-21-2018 | 07:06 PM
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Your buddy has to list Mesa because it will show up in Pria anyway. All Pria will soon be online, so it’s best not to try to hide anything.
He will just have to explain how the training was....pretty much everyone knows that Mesa’s training is crap, so it’s not going to be a surprise to the next airline he applies to.
He will just have to explain how the training was....pretty much everyone knows that Mesa’s training is crap, so it’s not going to be a surprise to the next airline he applies to.
You haven't been at many other airlines yet, haven't you?
Try getting through training at Emirates, Cathay Pacific, or any larger European carrier.
My first Jet after my biggest airplane, the mighty Piper Seneca, was in a Boeing 727-200. I got handed a packet full of manuals, no CBT, and then was 80 hours self study at home. A couple of days review with an instructor, then straight to the sim.
21 day course after the self studying for a PIC type rating.
Ohh, yeah, training at Mesa is crap 🤐
04-22-2018 | 06:59 AM
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Your buddy has to list Mesa because it will show up in Pria anyway. All Pria will soon be online, so it’s best not to try to hide anything.
He will just have to explain how the training was....pretty much everyone knows that Mesa’s training is crap, so it’s not going to be a surprise to the next airline he applies to.
He will just have to explain how the training was....pretty much everyone knows that Mesa’s training is crap, so it’s not going to be a surprise to the next airline he applies to.
All records for the past 5 years only is what they require to ask for
04-22-2018 | 09:20 AM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;2575173]
Attitude is key. If you go to the Training Review Board blaming anyone other than yourself and without something to offer you'll be justifiably let go. Look - it's a RISK - it's a LIABILITY for the company to keep someone with multiple failures. If you DO get through with a training failure Mesa puts you through AQP early. AQP is no gimmie - I know of both captains and FO's failing AQP.
There are diamonds in the rough. Pilots who have not flown for a while with good experience who take a little extra time to get used to the speed things happen and the glass and they need a little extra time. Mesa has (in the recent past at least) worked with these pilots and many are successfully flying the line and passing their 6 month AQP with flying colors. They just needed a little extra time in the sim. The TRB makes the determination - largely based on the pilots attitude toward the failure. ARE YOU TRAINABLE? That's what matters. If you fail and blame the PM - then YOU have issues. Better to say - the PM failed to set the altitude and I didn't catch it. See the difference?
Why didn’t you fail if you believe they train to fail.
I consider myself lucky that I received exellent training else where. I know of good pilots, that were let go just because they had to repeat sim session twice. I know others that went to the line, just squeezing by, and were sent back to training, never to be seen again.
It's your record, you do as you please, but Mesa won't help you to be successful. Everyone is different so good luck to you.
I consider myself lucky that I received exellent training else where. I know of good pilots, that were let go just because they had to repeat sim session twice. I know others that went to the line, just squeezing by, and were sent back to training, never to be seen again.
It's your record, you do as you please, but Mesa won't help you to be successful. Everyone is different so good luck to you.
There are diamonds in the rough. Pilots who have not flown for a while with good experience who take a little extra time to get used to the speed things happen and the glass and they need a little extra time. Mesa has (in the recent past at least) worked with these pilots and many are successfully flying the line and passing their 6 month AQP with flying colors. They just needed a little extra time in the sim. The TRB makes the determination - largely based on the pilots attitude toward the failure. ARE YOU TRAINABLE? That's what matters. If you fail and blame the PM - then YOU have issues. Better to say - the PM failed to set the altitude and I didn't catch it. See the difference?
04-23-2018 | 01:49 PM
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[QUOTE=NovemberBravo;2577137]The Pilot Record Improment Act. Is a request by an aircarrier for FAA records. He never too a check ride with Mesa, so there shouldn't, be anything in his FAA folder relating to MESA. Training records are property of Mesa, which an airline can request directly from Mesa, if he puts down he was here. But, I will advise him to submit a request for his pilot records from the FAA, so he is sure. As it is. He has already been turned down by 3 companies.
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