Why Mesa has bad reputation?
04-23-2018 | 01:53 PM
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[QUOTE=calmwinds;2577147]
The PRIA doesn’t show all the training. Only the major events. An applicant has to sign a specific release to have ALL their training records released. Most regionals don’t care to go through the bother of a special release and contacting the other airline for specific details.
And, anyone who lies on their application deserves being fired. If you can’t pass your checkride or oral here, you can’t pass it anywhere. They shouldn’t be flying until they have real experience.
As you stated, PRIA is only for FAA records, if you never took a check ride, there will be no mention of Mesa.
He did it the right way, put Mesa down on three applications, all 3 turned him down. You going to pay his bills?
The PRIA doesn’t show all the training. Only the major events. An applicant has to sign a specific release to have ALL their training records released. Most regionals don’t care to go through the bother of a special release and contacting the other airline for specific details.
And, anyone who lies on their application deserves being fired. If you can’t pass your checkride or oral here, you can’t pass it anywhere. They shouldn’t be flying until they have real experience.
He did it the right way, put Mesa down on three applications, all 3 turned him down. You going to pay his bills?
04-23-2018 | 02:01 PM
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[QUOTE=mjpilot;2577149]
Taking a risk coming here?
You're taking a risk going anywhere!
A simple type rating at Pan Am Miami gets you 6 sim sessions, then on to your checkride session.
Mesa gets you 8, last year was actually 10 on the E-Jet, before you go to the checkride. What do you expect?
Spirit gets you 4 Sessions, let that one sink in slowly...
My buddy at Go Jet just had 20 out of 24 failing Captain upgrade. How is that for being on your record?
Hmm let's see, he passed indoc, he passed systems, he passed his oral, he got to sim 8, messed up on one session, did another session, his PM screwed up one of his approaches, he didn't like how the other went so he went around on that one. So his instructor thought one more session would be good. So they terminated him instead.
Tell me, where was the deficiency?
Oh, let me not forget, he sat around waiting on sim almost 3 months. So a lot of money was spent by the company, to get 0 return.
Taking a risk coming here?
You're taking a risk going anywhere!
A simple type rating at Pan Am Miami gets you 6 sim sessions, then on to your checkride session.
Mesa gets you 8, last year was actually 10 on the E-Jet, before you go to the checkride. What do you expect?
Spirit gets you 4 Sessions, let that one sink in slowly...
My buddy at Go Jet just had 20 out of 24 failing Captain upgrade. How is that for being on your record?
Tell me, where was the deficiency?
Oh, let me not forget, he sat around waiting on sim almost 3 months. So a lot of money was spent by the company, to get 0 return.
04-23-2018 | 02:10 PM
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[QUOTE=Idontevenfly;2577468]
I mean, that's 12 or 13 sims, Mesa is pretty forgiving honestly, he must have just not been getting it. Repeating a sim for the pm not setting the altitude when he called for it does not sound like a sim lesson fail, and highly highly doubt it was due to just that. There must have been more than one small issue like that which made them think he isn't right for the job.
I can't say for certain, but. I recently found out, as of yesterday. That there is an instructor that seems to have his own agenda. I was told on 2 separate occassion, that there appeared to be some shouting or yelling in the sim by this instructor that I guess one of the student told him to f_off and quit. Now I'm not sure which instructor my friend had, but I'll ask.
I think it's sad that an instructor would do that, if your upset, cause you never made it yourself majors, that's you. But don't ruin other people's careers.
I mean, that's 12 or 13 sims, Mesa is pretty forgiving honestly, he must have just not been getting it. Repeating a sim for the pm not setting the altitude when he called for it does not sound like a sim lesson fail, and highly highly doubt it was due to just that. There must have been more than one small issue like that which made them think he isn't right for the job.
I think it's sad that an instructor would do that, if your upset, cause you never made it yourself majors, that's you. But don't ruin other people's careers.
04-23-2018 | 02:23 PM
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[QUOTE=pangolin;2577805]
Attitude is key. If you go to the Training Review Board blaming anyone other than yourself and without something to offer you'll be justifiably let go. Look - it's a RISK - it's a LIABILITY for the company to keep someone with multiple failures. If you DO get through with a training failure Mesa puts you through AQP early. AQP is no gimmie - I know of both captains and FO's failing AQP.
There are diamonds in the rough. Pilots who have not flown for a while with good experience who take a little extra time to get used to the speed things happen and the glass and they need a little extra time. Mesa has (in the recent past at least) worked with these pilots and many are successfully flying the line and passing their 6 month AQP with flying colors. They just needed a little extra time in the sim. The TRB makes the determination - largely based on the pilots attitude toward the failure. ARE YOU TRAINABLE? That's what matters. If you fail and blame the PM - then YOU have issues. Better to say - the PM failed to set the altitude and I didn't catch it. See the difference?
That's exactly what he did. He took responsibility, even thou the PM screwed up. As he told me, his exact word was "it was my fault"
Nothing about this makes any sense to me.
Attitude is key. If you go to the Training Review Board blaming anyone other than yourself and without something to offer you'll be justifiably let go. Look - it's a RISK - it's a LIABILITY for the company to keep someone with multiple failures. If you DO get through with a training failure Mesa puts you through AQP early. AQP is no gimmie - I know of both captains and FO's failing AQP.
There are diamonds in the rough. Pilots who have not flown for a while with good experience who take a little extra time to get used to the speed things happen and the glass and they need a little extra time. Mesa has (in the recent past at least) worked with these pilots and many are successfully flying the line and passing their 6 month AQP with flying colors. They just needed a little extra time in the sim. The TRB makes the determination - largely based on the pilots attitude toward the failure. ARE YOU TRAINABLE? That's what matters. If you fail and blame the PM - then YOU have issues. Better to say - the PM failed to set the altitude and I didn't catch it. See the difference?
Nothing about this makes any sense to me.
04-23-2018 | 04:28 PM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;2578552]
I can't say for certain, but. I recently found out, as of yesterday. That there is an instructor that seems to have his own agenda. I was told on 2 separate occassion, that there appeared to be some shouting or yelling in the sim by this instructor that I guess one of the student told him to f_off and quit. Now I'm not sure which instructor my friend had, but I'll ask.
I think it's sad that an instructor would do that, if your upset, cause you never made it yourself majors, that's you. But don't ruin other people's careers.
You are right there. Unfortunately, there are a few bad apples in the training department. In my opinion, it's still a whole lot better than most other places that try to screw you more.
If I had a bad training experience, I would immediately talk to the director of training and ask for another instructor.
I can't say for certain, but. I recently found out, as of yesterday. That there is an instructor that seems to have his own agenda. I was told on 2 separate occassion, that there appeared to be some shouting or yelling in the sim by this instructor that I guess one of the student told him to f_off and quit. Now I'm not sure which instructor my friend had, but I'll ask.
I think it's sad that an instructor would do that, if your upset, cause you never made it yourself majors, that's you. But don't ruin other people's careers.
If I had a bad training experience, I would immediately talk to the director of training and ask for another instructor.
04-23-2018 | 04:57 PM
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[QUOTE=mjpilot;2578628]
You are right there. Unfortunately, there are a few bad apples in the training department. In my opinion, it's still a whole lot better than most other places that try to screw you more.
If I had a bad training experience, I would immediately talk to the director of training and ask for another instructor.
As we even sure this is a Mesa instructor, versus a Flight Safety instructor. If an instructor is swearing, it means the new hire just isn’t getting it.
If an FO gets in your right seat, and says Mesa trains to fail, the CA should kick him out of your aircraft at his first opportunity.
You are right there. Unfortunately, there are a few bad apples in the training department. In my opinion, it's still a whole lot better than most other places that try to screw you more.
If I had a bad training experience, I would immediately talk to the director of training and ask for another instructor.
If an FO gets in your right seat, and says Mesa trains to fail, the CA should kick him out of your aircraft at his first opportunity.
04-23-2018 | 08:46 PM
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People do get screwed over in aviation, people can be evil, and simply not like you. However, 98% of the time it’s simply not being at the level that is expected of you.
There’s training departments and there’s checking departments, sounds like this one instructor is the later.
Everyone thinks this is an easy job, it’s not, it’s your job to not fail.
There’s training departments and there’s checking departments, sounds like this one instructor is the later.
Everyone thinks this is an easy job, it’s not, it’s your job to not fail.
04-24-2018 | 06:51 AM
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[QUOTE=calmwinds;2578647]
As we even sure this is a Mesa instructor, versus a Flight Safety instructor. If an instructor is swearing, it means the new hire just isn’t getting it.
If an FO gets in your right seat, and says Mesa trains to fail, the CA should kick him out of your aircraft at his first opportunity.
Mesa uses their own instructor in STL.
As we even sure this is a Mesa instructor, versus a Flight Safety instructor. If an instructor is swearing, it means the new hire just isn’t getting it.
If an FO gets in your right seat, and says Mesa trains to fail, the CA should kick him out of your aircraft at his first opportunity.
04-24-2018 | 06:58 AM
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People do get screwed over in aviation, people can be evil, and simply not like you. However, 98% of the time it’s simply not being at the level that is expected of you.
There’s training departments and there’s checking departments, sounds like this one instructor is the later.
Everyone thinks this is an easy job, it’s not, it’s your job to not fail.
There’s training departments and there’s checking departments, sounds like this one instructor is the later.
Everyone thinks this is an easy job, it’s not, it’s your job to not fail.
Any instructor that engage's in shouting and yelling in a sim session, should not be an instructor. I failed to see, what positive out come can come, from that kind of attitude in a training session.
There are bad apples, there are good apples, this one seems to be a rotten one.
04-24-2018 | 07:22 AM
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It's been comfirmed, it is a Mesa instructor, and the same instructor in all three incidents.
Any instructor that engage's in shouting and yelling in a sim session, should not be an instructor. I failed to see, what positive out come can come, from that kind of attitude in a training session.
There are bad apples, there are good apples, this one seems to be a rotten one.
Any instructor that engage's in shouting and yelling in a sim session, should not be an instructor. I failed to see, what positive out come can come, from that kind of attitude in a training session.
There are bad apples, there are good apples, this one seems to be a rotten one.
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