Was this brought up to the TRB when they met with him? It should have been reported then at the latest.
What is the instructor’s initials?

 

Honestly this is how Mesa gets a bad reputation, the people who come here then aren't able to pass get upset and blame the company. This whole thing seems like the guy just couldn't get through, and is now trying to blame anyone else but himself.

 

If it’s the same instructor which comes to mind (personal interaction) and hearing from others experiences, that instructor is back to flying the line and no longer in the training department. Most outrageous story was after screaming and belittling the students the entire session then being so mad the instructor stopped the sim got in their car and drove away... leaving the students in the sim. Yes the instructor can fly the aircraft but also happens to be an incompetent instructor. That’s just one bad apple, we have a ton of great talented people helping pilots get through training. Big shakeup recently in that part of the YV culture and I can only hope for the best.

 

If these three students were railroaded and not their own doing, this is criminal. You don’t ruin someone’s career. ALPA takes this seriously, not so much your pathetic local, but national.

 

Lol....I don't think you know for whom you are working for. One of the guys involved in one of these incidents, said he complained, and was terminated. So there is your answer to that.

 

That sounds like the Chief Instructor to me. But, he probably also sent the instructor back to the line....

New hires used to complain all the time to the management in training and were listened to... of course, they terminated that manager.

 

ALPA, is not going to do anything for these guys they will all trainees so they're not part of the Union until they have the one year. From what I understand there is a union representative that goes to these board meetings or training evaluation means whatever they are called meetings, so if you can't do nothing for them, why is he there?

 

Yes, about two dozen students were railroaded in this fashion, and were wrongfully terminated. Although most have moved on and been hired by other Regionals, admitting their mistake re: Mesa, others we hear have formed an impromptu group and are looking at legal and regulatory actions.


The reality is Mesa effectively has no “training” department. It is simply a hodge-podge of put-together-when-available instructors, no syllabus, no timetable/footprint, no training standards, no task completion standards, no standardization between instructors, no evaluation standards, no transparency, and no consistency. From a regulatory perspective, this is the real criminality. An analogy is imagine training Private Pilots to the whims of each individual Examiner, which differs from Examiner to Examiner, and with no recourse. When asked to supply these things (like a PTS), Mesa refuses. They do this so they can act inconsistently, arbitrarily, and capriciously.


We’ve heard the same about those who complained. Either the programming, evaluation, or critique was rigged so that new hire would “fail”. In one case, we’ve heard the targeted new hire got a completely different test than the 5 others in his class, which was significantly more challenging. We’ve also heard of new hires who satisfactorily completed the training but were hauled before the Chief Instructor and were denied access to their test scores, exams, and grading. It’s a joke.


However, in all the classes, we’ve heard the same thing about the instructors not giving a damn, leaving early (telling the new hires to “go practice” or “go study”), disparaging the new hires in front of them, skipping material, spending class time carousing with other instructors, talking the company down, and generally not teaching. Thereafter, the instructors blame the new hires for not studying and not practicing.


The “training review board” is a farce. Nowhere within the Employment Contract, Personnel Manual, General Operating Manual, or training syllabus does anything mention a “training review board” and its policies and procedures are nowhere to be found. It is a further-rigged process, because the same person who decided to “fail” the new hire is the deciding vote in this star chamber. It therefore becomes a “beg-for-my-job” session and the new hire is evaluated solely on his butt-kissing and groveling ability.


As for ALPA at Mesa, they are connected at the hip to Management. In fact, MAG-MEC should be spelled I-N-C-E-S-T. It’s all for show and they’ve done nothing for the aggrieved new hires other than become an accomplice in this egregious disgrace of a “training” department.


Mesa can re-arrange their personnel all they want and tout it within self-adulating emails but, it's nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

Who’s the “we” that you keep mentioning.

 

Sounds like Mesa is the new Great Lakes, except with far less structure and accountability.