Considering Move Envoy to Mesa
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This is not about me. This is about telling people that are considering coming to Mesa that we do junior assign here. A lot of pilots here at Mesa think that because the contract says "junior available" they can always turn down a JA by simply saying "I'm not available," and that the UJA (or UJR??) code means nothing. I personally think it's a naive way of thinking. Do you really think that's how the company thinks it is supposed to work? Then why they even bothered to put junior assignment language in the contract? And what exactly a "placeholder" is? Why do you think they want to track down how many times you have refused to be junior assigned?
Now, in four years I have only been officially junior assigned two or three times. All while on reserve. So it's not something that happens often, but it happens. It's in our contract.
ALPA sent out an email talking about PRIA 7 months ago and they mention that in addition to the usual stuff...
"Some pilots' personnel files may contain nonstandard documents, such as:
Disciplinary letters
Reliability letters
Training Review Board letters"
I believe that too many UJA/UJR (however its called) could potentially get you a disciplinary or a reliability letter. And remember, if the company is really desperate and a pilot is being a jerk, they can easily get back at you and turn an UJR into an UFW. It's as easy as saying, "you seem pretty available to us (no GLD, no SIC, and no FAT, and we are talking to you), you have been notified of additional flying, be there
."
Done.
Now, in four years I have only been officially junior assigned two or three times. All while on reserve. So it's not something that happens often, but it happens. It's in our contract.
ALPA sent out an email talking about PRIA 7 months ago and they mention that in addition to the usual stuff...
"Some pilots' personnel files may contain nonstandard documents, such as:
Disciplinary letters
Reliability letters
Training Review Board letters"
I believe that too many UJA/UJR (however its called) could potentially get you a disciplinary or a reliability letter. And remember, if the company is really desperate and a pilot is being a jerk, they can easily get back at you and turn an UJR into an UFW. It's as easy as saying, "you seem pretty available to us (no GLD, no SIC, and no FAT, and we are talking to you), you have been notified of additional flying, be there
." Done.
I’ve personally asked the chief pilot (Alvin) about UJA’s, he doesn’t care. It’s the UFWs that are the problem. UJAs don’t get turned into UFWs.
However, after saying all that, word out there is they are starting to have a problem with refusing junior assignments. Times are a changing....
#82
If it was something TRULY important why didn't you bid for it? After two years with the company you certainly could get that day off, even if you needed to bid reserve.
If you read my post, our opinion of the union is the same. Most union guys tend to side with the company on this. If they (Crew Tracking) are talking to you, and you are not protected by a golden day, you are not sick, and you are not fatigued, then you are the junior available. It doesn't matter how good of an employee you are.
If you read my post, our opinion of the union is the same. Most union guys tend to side with the company on this. If they (Crew Tracking) are talking to you, and you are not protected by a golden day, you are not sick, and you are not fatigued, then you are the junior available. It doesn't matter how good of an employee you are.
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You are correct, according to PRIA they don’t have to furnish attendance and discipline records. However, signing that document I referenced is a prerequisite to being in the CPP.
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That is not what the CPP program says. It says that United will have full access to your records at Mesa —- if a pilot signs up for the program.
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Do you know how far back in attendance records they go? And what is considered “acceptable”?
Thanks.
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Since the reserves are in the negative, you can’t drop, swap, or trade. You get what you get.
That is the reason sick calls have gone up so much. If you have something you have to be at, basically your only option is a sick call.
The majority of employees are ethical enough to avoid a sick call unless they are truly sick. However, it is the ONLY way to get a day off, then that’s the only option. And that is where we are today.
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To be clear, this is not the case - being able to bid for a day you NEED off. It doesn’t matter how senior you are. In this unstacking environment, you have a very very low chance of getting a day off that you need and bid for.
Since the reserves are in the negative, you can’t drop, swap, or trade. You get what you get.
That is the reason sick calls have gone up so much. If you have something you have to be at, basically your only option is a sick call.
The majority of employees are ethical enough to avoid a sick call unless they are truly sick. However, it is the ONLY way to get a day off on reserve, then that’s the only option. And that is where we are today.
Since the reserves are in the negative, you can’t drop, swap, or trade. You get what you get.
That is the reason sick calls have gone up so much. If you have something you have to be at, basically your only option is a sick call.
The majority of employees are ethical enough to avoid a sick call unless they are truly sick. However, it is the ONLY way to get a day off on reserve, then that’s the only option. And that is where we are today.
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The MAIN POINT of what I’m saying is.....a cavalier attitude towards reliability may very well cost you the dream job even though you think you have “rights”.
Last edited by PhantomHawk; 05-10-2018 at 08:18 AM.
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