It's not about the weight or anything like that, it's the value produced to the owners.

 

As I said I am not defending the model. The fact is - regionals are staffing companies. They are the pimp we are the ... well you get the idea. They have a contract and they can't stay in business if they pay too much for their raw material. It's just a fact. It's not like we are one big company and we are at the low end of the pay scale. Yes the majors make a TON off of the regionals. Whipsaw and all you know.

 

No, it's not 'fact.'

It's your opinion - and I would argue that it's wrong. The whole regional model was built on deception. It's the perfect shell-game for legacies. People like JO make a fortune perpetuating this myth.

Start peeling the layers back and you'll see how badly we've been deceived

 

I'm not new. But if you want to be one of those guys who just attacks go for it. I've been around a few times and I remember the whole B scale debate and the genesis of the regional model. You don't get to say a fact is wrong just because you want to. What "fact" did I get wrong? Be specific.

 

Reread your post - you're the one who used the term 'fact' twice. You stated your opinion - then called it 'fact.'

As for 'B' scale - I was a newbie in the industry at the time, and was stuck making pennies-on-the-dollar compared to others. What took them ('A' scalers) seven years to achieve in salary took me fifteen years.

I'm not attacking anyone - just pointing out to anyone reading this that we're worth a helluva lot more than we're making. I wish more of us would understand how badly we're being played - and vote accordingly come contract time.

Including you

 

Where is calmwinds with his input? Hasn’t been around lately.

 

Hey, here is the inside scoop from a Mesa Pilot. IAD is nothing but reserve. I know 3-4 year CA’s sitting on reserve. So if you want to be a CA in IAD it’s going to be tough. Reserve as an FO is non existent at Mesa. The only time you sit reserve as an FO is if you miss the bid after IOE. 2-3 weeks is usually the norm around here.

Reserve life sucks everywhere. I commute for Mesa and never had a problem getting a jump or listing non rev on AA, yes PSA does get priority and D2 and what not, but seriously non issue. I even got to non rev to Tahiti being a Mesa pilot another story.

CPP program is no joke at Mesa. The reason a lot of people don’t get it from Mesa is because of prior busts and not meeting the requirements. I knew personally plenty of Mesa people who moved over to united and keep in mind our CPP program is 9 months old, and they all came from both CRJ and EJET.

Good thing about Mesa is if you are looking for working and getting flight time you’re golden. First year FOs are getting 700-800 hours a year working minimum not picking up. I know FOs who hustle and time out. Our FOs are also making more money than envoy. Skywest and PSA.

Our pilot group is different than PSA, envoy and SkyWest, if you were flying for PSA and then Flew for Mesa you would recognize that immediately.

Yeah, pay scale sucks! But “mo money mo problems” keep that in mind

Overall, choose quality of life over anything. Don’t plan on IAD as there’s a lot of chatter going on about us closing that as a base (maybe ejet coming in?) but this industry changes every nanosecond.

Hope this helped, you have any questions feel free to PM Me.


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Sounds like a solid sample size. Must be a fact....... conversely one could argue you are the common denominator in that sampling.... if this comment went over your head K92, feel free to PM me for an in depth explanation.


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There’s been around 10 people go to United out of 80 applicants for cpp. Not the best stats.

Next group looking better, but we’ll see after their background checks (sick calls, perfect record, etc).

IMO, it’s a marketing tool and not a serious interview process.

 

I heard one out of three were made offers and are waiting on class dates.