You can hold IAD with MESA but it’s not certain we will have it at all after August.

 

Mesa MEC = J.O.

 

In fairness to many (if not most) Mesa pilots, they came here to get their hours and move on. The fact that so few are chosen by legacy carriers (or other premium flying jobs) isn't their fault.

I also don't trust union election results (including contract vote tallying). I was involved in union issues with another company, and have seen how easily this process is manipulated. I strongly believe the MEC level at Mesa is infested with those whose allegiance is to management first.

A far bigger problem is that the legacies hire so few from Mesa. I'm sure this is also a problem at other regionals, but it's REALLY bad at Mesa.

 

What’s your definition of legacy?

UA DL AA? We have our fair share going to LCCs and SWA.

As far as the contract goes I’m half way up the seniority list. I wasn’t allowed to vote as I was probationary. That means over half the pilots here had no say in this contract. So let’s not stigmatize the whole group. (No saying you did - the person you replied to was doing that)

 

You used to have a good MEC that was not JO
You used to have an MEC Chair that JO hated him and that was a good thing.
He went to a Legacy I think or maybe an LCC

 

Correcting myself. It never went to 34. It’s 36 presently. It may well decrease for existing FO as well. Could be motivation to upgrade.

 

Hi, I'm that person. Thanks for opening the door!

You didn't address me directly but that's ok. Here we go.

I've been a pilot since 1980, including 11 years as an Army Aviator. Been a regional jet pilot since 2001. Captain since 2005. Furloughed after 9-11. Saw first hand how Skypest began it's destruction of XJT in 2008 when their bid to buy us failed because we wouldn't give up scope. BTW, little known fact is that they were going to take a chunk of our 145s and furlough 700 of our pilots if we had given up scope.

Here we are now, on the upswing after getting out from under those awful people. All the while watching Mesa, with it's bottom feeding contract grow with brand new 175s at our expense no less.
You may wonder why I made that statement, "stigmatizing" the entire pilot group and not excluding you and the rest of the bottom half of the seniority list. It doesn't matter if you voted or are a new hire. The fact remains that what the Mesa pilots are and have been for over ten years is well known and documented. There is no excuse for not knowing what Mesa Airlines is. When you accepted employment with Mesa, you chose to ignore what they are for any number of self-serving reasons. Maybe they are the only airline that would hire you? I don't know and it doesn't matter. The fact is, you are there now, contributing to Mesa's cheap contract that enables management to underbid every other regional airline out there for new flying. You contribute to this by being an employee at Mesa.

So, half of the pilots didn't vote on your crappy contract. You will never be able to hide behind that excuse as long as you are employed there. In fact, you are permanently branded with that now as part of your employment history. Congratulations! You are just as much at fault as the pilots who voted for it.

After the Mesa pilots voted in their Bottom feeding contract well over ten years ago, every other airline management has waved that contract in the face of every other union pilot group trying to negotiate a better contract. Back then, I half-halfheartedly defended you guys because you did it to stop the whip-saw that JO was using against you, namely Freedom Airlines. You took it in the shorts to bring those scab-like Freedom pilots onto your seniority list and end that whip-saw. So, I gave Mesa a pilots a pass back then. Since then, you're pilot group has voted in how many bottom feeding contracts? I stopped counting. Needless to say, I don't defend Mesa pilots anymore.
Maybe you already knew all of that...

 

Remember that contract barely passed somewhere between 50ish to 60%. Guys weren’t patient JO couldn’t wait to go public.

 

The fact remains, no one gives a damn outside the regional world, unless people like you are calling the shots in HR, but they aren't, because as soon as they move up, they stop caring too.

 

You are delusional if you think there’s any intent by Mesa pilots as a whole to harm other regional pilots.

Hate me if you like.