E175 contract with UA questions.
03-27-2019, 02:19 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You are making a comeback after 18 years. You are - by choice - going to be commuting. So get the most benign commute you can, get online and get the rust knocked off. That's going to take you three months anywhere, and six months to damn near a year at some places. An FO who is currently flying has two type ratings, and no major blemishes is capable of being hired at JB, Soirit, Frontier, or Allegiant NOW. In another year the majors will have further depleted the pool of former military and others they deem more qualified than you, and be retiring even more guys than they are now. Barring an event you can neither predict nor do squat about, your odds of getting on at an LCC with FO time only are going to be BETTER than they would be today if you had the rust knocked off and another 500 hours.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
THIS!!
I’m not too dissimilarly situated and got my butt in a seat ASAP. It’s a seller’s market.
I got some good advice that the more recent experience (line and successful training events) one has, the more marketable one is. People are upgrading from the right seat...if one is not in it, no chance of that!
03-27-2019, 02:23 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You are making a comeback after 18 years. You are - by choice - going to be commuting. So get the most benign commute you can, get online and get the rust knocked off. That's going to take you three months anywhere, and six months to damn near a year at some places. An FO who is currently flying has two type ratings, and no major blemishes is capable of being hired at JB, Soirit, Frontier, or Allegiant NOW. In another year the majors will have further depleted the pool of former military and others they deem more qualified than you, and be retiring even more guys than they are now. Barring an event you can neither predict nor do squat about, your odds of getting on at an LCC with FO time only are going to be BETTER than they would be today if you had the rust knocked off and another 500 hours.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
Thanks for the encouragement bud. Appreciate it.
03-27-2019, 06:25 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You are making a comeback after 18 years. You are - by choice - going to be commuting. So get the most benign commute you can, get online and get the rust knocked off. That's going to take you three months anywhere, and six months to damn near a year at some places. An FO who is currently flying has two type ratings, and no major blemishes is capable of being hired at JB, Soirit, Frontier, or Allegiant NOW. In another year the majors will have further depleted the pool of former military and others they deem more qualified than you, and be retiring even more guys than they are now. Barring an event you can neither predict nor do squat about, your odds of getting on at an LCC with FO time only are going to be BETTER than they would be today if you had the rust knocked off and another 500 hours.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
Just do it. Don't f@rt around trying to sweeten the shot. Get on quick, get your butt in the seat, and then start building time.
My advice anyway, fwiw.
I’m not trying to bash but I went to MAPD in Farmington and I learned years ago how mesa doesn’t value it’s employees. I have never regretted not working there and I am so thankful I went to XJT over Mesa.
03-27-2019, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by boyracer
If it’s about getting the rust out and in seat and flying to get his hours up in 121 why would he not do it at XJT? You must know that the pay, qol, insurance, work rules and retirement are leaps and bounds ahead at XJT?
I’m not trying to bash but I went to MAPD in Farmington and I learned years ago how mesa doesn’t value it’s employees. I have never regretted not working there and I am so thankful I went to XJT over Mesa.
I’m not trying to bash but I went to MAPD in Farmington and I learned years ago how mesa doesn’t value it’s employees. I have never regretted not working there and I am so thankful I went to XJT over Mesa.
The people getting on with the majors or LCC's with no TPIC are the exception, not the norm.
Although the pay at Mesa is lower, being able to be IAH based and a chance to upgrade quickly and still be IAH based are the biggest factors in my decision.
03-27-2019, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Because regardless of what some say about "not needing TPIC" to get on with a major, I just don't believe it. Frontier requires a minimum of 500 TPIC, and several others still require 1000.
1500 hours total time (2500 preferred)
750 hours multi-engine fixed wing
500 hours pilot in command (PIC)
500 hours jet/turbo-prop
750 hours multi-engine fixed wing
500 hours pilot in command (PIC)
500 hours jet/turbo-prop
The people getting on with the majors or LCC's with no TPIC are the exception, not the norm.
03-27-2019, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Because regardless of what some say about "not needing TPIC" to get on with a major, I just don't believe it. Frontier requires a minimum of 500 TPIC, and several others still require 1000.
The people getting on with the majors or LCC's with no TPIC are the exception, not the norm.
Although the pay at Mesa is lower, being able to be IAH based and a chance to upgrade quickly and still be IAH based are the biggest factors in my decision.
The people getting on with the majors or LCC's with no TPIC are the exception, not the norm.
Although the pay at Mesa is lower, being able to be IAH based and a chance to upgrade quickly and still be IAH based are the biggest factors in my decision.
03-28-2019, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by boyracer
Just don’t sign any training contract with them i.e. 2 year contract that would bind you there. After things start to unfold this summer and going forward I would hate for you to feel trapped there because its really a horrible company. When it does you will wish you were anywhere but there. Becareful young Jedi.....
03-28-2019, 09:27 AM
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He’s projecting that we will finally know what will happen with all the expiring aircraft.
03-28-2019, 09:30 AM
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I haven't posted in forever, but this thread is ridiculous.
In the last few months of being a CA at Mesa before I was hired at a legacy carrier, off the street, (with less than 1000TPIC btw) I saw more and more of this type of new hire. The "middle-aged, out of the game for a while or second career or only flew king airs around Louisiana, I don't want to wait to be CA, I don't know why you think you deserve to be in the left seat b/c you're my kids age while I'm stuck over here with all of my wisdom" guys.
Ya know what, almost without fail, 90% of them SUCKED. Bad. Real bad. Extra sims, extra IOE, can't manage the plane at all, bad. I can rattle off multiple stories with multiple guys to back up my point.
You haven't flown professionally in 18 years, have NO FMS, EFIS, modern jet experience; yet you honestly, truthfully, think you can be a safe and effective 121 CA. I mean, look at the situation objectively.
Yes you "meet the FAA CA requirements now"....but do you really think just meeting the requirements means you're able to truly do the job? I can tell you, based on flying with multiple dudes just like you, no, you probably can't yet. In a year or 2, after getting some experience, you probably could.
Sure, you could be the perfect unique snowflake that isn't like all the other ones that I've personally flown with... but your attitude is clear when you say things like "Would you go somewhere where you had to wait 3 years to start getting TPIC, which is what I need the most to qualify for the LCC's.". The answer should be "Yes, I would be happy to, so that I can pay my dues and so that I can actually do the job safely."
And they call my generation the entitled one?
In the last few months of being a CA at Mesa before I was hired at a legacy carrier, off the street, (with less than 1000TPIC btw) I saw more and more of this type of new hire. The "middle-aged, out of the game for a while or second career or only flew king airs around Louisiana, I don't want to wait to be CA, I don't know why you think you deserve to be in the left seat b/c you're my kids age while I'm stuck over here with all of my wisdom" guys.
Ya know what, almost without fail, 90% of them SUCKED. Bad. Real bad. Extra sims, extra IOE, can't manage the plane at all, bad. I can rattle off multiple stories with multiple guys to back up my point.
You haven't flown professionally in 18 years, have NO FMS, EFIS, modern jet experience; yet you honestly, truthfully, think you can be a safe and effective 121 CA. I mean, look at the situation objectively.
Yes you "meet the FAA CA requirements now"....but do you really think just meeting the requirements means you're able to truly do the job? I can tell you, based on flying with multiple dudes just like you, no, you probably can't yet. In a year or 2, after getting some experience, you probably could.
Sure, you could be the perfect unique snowflake that isn't like all the other ones that I've personally flown with... but your attitude is clear when you say things like "Would you go somewhere where you had to wait 3 years to start getting TPIC, which is what I need the most to qualify for the LCC's.". The answer should be "Yes, I would be happy to, so that I can pay my dues and so that I can actually do the job safely."
And they call my generation the entitled one?
03-28-2019, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jrwit
I haven't posted in forever, but this thread is ridiculous.
In the last few months of being a CA at Mesa before I was hired at a legacy carrier, off the street, (with less than 1000TPIC btw) I saw more and more of this type of new hire. The "middle-aged, out of the game for a while or second career or only flew king airs around Louisiana, I don't want to wait to be CA, I don't know why you think you deserve to be in the left seat b/c you're my kids age while I'm stuck over here with all of my wisdom" guys.
Ya know what, almost without fail, 90% of them SUCKED. Bad. Real bad. Extra sims, extra IOE, can't manage the plane at all, bad. I can rattle off multiple stories with multiple guys to back up my point.
You haven't flown professionally in 18 years, have NO FMS, EFIS, modern jet experience; yet you honestly, truthfully, think you can be a safe and effective 121 CA. I mean, look at the situation objectively.
Yes you "meet the FAA CA requirements now"....but do you really think just meeting the requirements means you're able to truly do the job? I can tell you, based on flying with multiple dudes just like you, no, you probably can't yet. In a year or 2, after getting some experience, you probably could.
Sure, you could be the perfect unique snowflake that isn't like all the other ones that I've personally flown with... but your attitude is clear when you say things like "Would you go somewhere where you had to wait 3 years to start getting TPIC, which is what I need the most to qualify for the LCC's.". The answer should be "Yes, I would be happy to, so that I can pay my dues and so that I can actually do the job safely."
And they call my generation the entitled one?
In the last few months of being a CA at Mesa before I was hired at a legacy carrier, off the street, (with less than 1000TPIC btw) I saw more and more of this type of new hire. The "middle-aged, out of the game for a while or second career or only flew king airs around Louisiana, I don't want to wait to be CA, I don't know why you think you deserve to be in the left seat b/c you're my kids age while I'm stuck over here with all of my wisdom" guys.
Ya know what, almost without fail, 90% of them SUCKED. Bad. Real bad. Extra sims, extra IOE, can't manage the plane at all, bad. I can rattle off multiple stories with multiple guys to back up my point.
You haven't flown professionally in 18 years, have NO FMS, EFIS, modern jet experience; yet you honestly, truthfully, think you can be a safe and effective 121 CA. I mean, look at the situation objectively.
Yes you "meet the FAA CA requirements now"....but do you really think just meeting the requirements means you're able to truly do the job? I can tell you, based on flying with multiple dudes just like you, no, you probably can't yet. In a year or 2, after getting some experience, you probably could.
Sure, you could be the perfect unique snowflake that isn't like all the other ones that I've personally flown with... but your attitude is clear when you say things like "Would you go somewhere where you had to wait 3 years to start getting TPIC, which is what I need the most to qualify for the LCC's.". The answer should be "Yes, I would be happy to, so that I can pay my dues and so that I can actually do the job safely."
And they call my generation the entitled one?
And yes, I feel I can be a safe and effective 121 CA after training and flying the line for a while. Why the hell would I not? I had no training failures or issues at my previous 121 job, and it was all new to me then, just as it will be now.
You know nothing about me, my ability or study habits to be making stupid assumptions like you did.
I don't know what your problem is, but no one in my position and age would be willing to wait at least 3 years to upgrade, unless they have no faith in themselves. Speak for yourself, not for me.
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