Applying at Mesa..what I should expect?
06-01-2019, 12:19 AM
#21
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Position: E135 FO
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
When I was at SkyWest we had plenty of Mesa jumpseaters as both an FO or a CA. I never saw them treated poorly... In fact we usually just all swapped stories about whatever BS our mutual companies were pulling.
I don’t doubt that with over 4,000 pilots or whatever they have that there are some tools with an attitude, but you’re really kidding yourself if you think that’s just SkyWest. You actually sound like a giant immature tool yourself with this post.
You and every other RJ pilot are in the same crap sandwich, hopefully trying to move on ASAP. I suggest not being super negative and disparaging of large groups of other pilots, unless you want to fly an RJ the rest of your career. Bad attitudes are easy to detect, and major HR/pilot recruiters WILL pick up on it.
I don’t doubt that with over 4,000 pilots or whatever they have that there are some tools with an attitude, but you’re really kidding yourself if you think that’s just SkyWest. You actually sound like a giant immature tool yourself with this post.
You and every other RJ pilot are in the same crap sandwich, hopefully trying to move on ASAP. I suggest not being super negative and disparaging of large groups of other pilots, unless you want to fly an RJ the rest of your career. Bad attitudes are easy to detect, and major HR/pilot recruiters WILL pick up on it.
06-01-2019, 01:48 AM
#22
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When I was at Mesa, jumpseated twice with Skywest in the same day with Chicago crews. Both crews were down to Earth, treated me like their own.
On the flip side, had an Envoy CA on my jumpseat who started in near the destination say, "I can't understand why anyone would go to a bottom feeder airline".
These attitudes are mostly at the regional level only. Teamsters 1224 certainly are trying the same crap at the ACMI level with their "missery loves company" bullcrap.
My airline has regional pilots from every non wholy owned. If there are any pilots from PSA, Envoy, or PDT, I haven't run into them yet. All of us get along and could care less about past politics and Infighting. It's viewed as a childish game played by people with small dicks. So when you run into an Envoy pilot disrespecting you, it's because they have a small dick.
On the flip side, had an Envoy CA on my jumpseat who started in near the destination say, "I can't understand why anyone would go to a bottom feeder airline".
These attitudes are mostly at the regional level only. Teamsters 1224 certainly are trying the same crap at the ACMI level with their "missery loves company" bullcrap.
My airline has regional pilots from every non wholy owned. If there are any pilots from PSA, Envoy, or PDT, I haven't run into them yet. All of us get along and could care less about past politics and Infighting. It's viewed as a childish game played by people with small dicks. So when you run into an Envoy pilot disrespecting you, it's because they have a small dick.
06-01-2019, 05:57 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 28
The training is Good. The people are friendly. A lot of the stuff you hear online is just not true or perhaps very old information. I think 3 months is an average training length, add a couple of weeks if you need ATPCTP. The health insurance is truly awful,if you have anyone in your family who utilizes health insurance you will want to get some details on it. They get you at both ends, high deductible and then you pay anything over 80%! Reserve isn't terrible if you live in base. I was on reserve in DFW last month, I blocked a little over 80 hours, I worked three days of Open Time and got some 200 and 300% getting credit for a little under 110 hours! Captain upgrades are quick, I flew with a Captain today who has been here 2 1/2 years. If you get to a thousand hours you can upgrade. I meet Mesa pilots all the time getting 95 hours per month. If you want to fly and make money, come to Mesa. Also, I've met United and Atlas pilots who started at Mesa,there doesn't appear to be a stigma.
06-02-2019, 07:09 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Aviat0r
The training is Good. The people are friendly. A lot of the stuff you hear online is just not true or perhaps very old information. I think 3 months is an average training length, add a couple of weeks if you need ATPCTP. The health insurance is truly awful,if you have anyone in your family who utilizes health insurance you will want to get some details on it. They get you at both ends, high deductible and then you pay anything over 80%! Reserve isn't terrible if you live in base. I was on reserve in DFW last month, I blocked a little over 80 hours, I worked three days of Open Time and got some 200 and 300% getting credit for a little under 110 hours! Captain upgrades are quick, I flew with a Captain today who has been here 2 1/2 years. If you get to a thousand hours you can upgrade. I meet Mesa pilots all the time getting 95 hours per month. If you want to fly and make money, come to Mesa. Also, I've met United and Atlas pilots who started at Mesa,there doesn't appear to be a stigma.
Part 121 experience there is not choice. Things are changing now. Got a friend that took 11yrs to go to majors..$60k first yr is no bad,but 2nd yr with no bonus making barely 40k sucks..if you dont upgrade to ca.
06-04-2019, 04:20 PM
#25
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Position: New Hire
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Originally Posted by Aviat0r
The training is Good. The people are friendly. A lot of the stuff you hear online is just not true or perhaps very old information. I think 3 months is an average training length, add a couple of weeks if you need ATPCTP. The health insurance is truly awful,if you have anyone in your family who utilizes health insurance you will want to get some details on it. They get you at both ends, high deductible and then you pay anything over 80%! Reserve isn't terrible if you live in base. I was on reserve in DFW last month, I blocked a little over 80 hours, I worked three days of Open Time and got some 200 and 300% getting credit for a little under 110 hours! Captain upgrades are quick, I flew with a Captain today who has been here 2 1/2 years. If you get to a thousand hours you can upgrade. I meet Mesa pilots all the time getting 95 hours per month. If you want to fly and make money, come to Mesa. Also, I've met United and Atlas pilots who started at Mesa,there doesn't appear to be a stigma.
06-04-2019, 04:57 PM
#26
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Posts: 450
Originally Posted by SierraHotel
I'm a mil aviator about to retire but not current (4 years since last flight), so flying is THE priority. I live in DC so I'm looking at the Regionals with domiciles there. Can anyone confirm that IAD is a new hire/junior FO base? How long on Reserve as an FO there? Is 95 hrs/mo typical at IAD? I want to fly...A LOT...so the combo of living in base and flying my tail off is very attractive. Thanks for the SA!
06-04-2019, 05:09 PM
#27
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Position: CRJ9 CA
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Originally Posted by SierraHotel
I'm a mil aviator about to retire but not current (4 years since last flight), so flying is THE priority. I live in DC so I'm looking at the Regionals with domiciles there. Can anyone confirm that IAD is a new hire/junior FO base? How long on Reserve as an FO there? Is 95 hrs/mo typical at IAD? I want to fly...A LOT...so the combo of living in base and flying my tail off is very attractive. Thanks for the SA!
06-06-2019, 12:47 AM
#28
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Position: New Hire
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Originally Posted by pangolin
IAD is jr FO Base. CPA expires starting in August Ending in December. The future there is uncertain. Right now the last two bid periods nobody (FO) was put on reserve who didn’t bid to be. You’ll be on reserve after IOE but have a line on the next bid - the way it looks right now.
06-06-2019, 05:16 AM
#29
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Position: CRJ9 CA
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Originally Posted by SierraHotel
Thanks for the insights...CPA refers to the contract, I assume? Any upcoming deadlines where there might be a decision to extend IAD?
Should that dissuade you? No. Seniority is king. Go somewhere. Get a number. Mesa isn’t going under but things will anyways change in this industry.
06-06-2019, 06:20 AM
#30
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Position: CRJ FO
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Originally Posted by pangolin
We’ve been waiting for some sort of announcement promised in “a few weeks” at each of the last 3 financial results conference calls. I’m assuming we will see something this month on the ejet as two planes expire in June. I’ll be August for the CRJs in IAD.
Should that dissuade you? No. Seniority is king. Go somewhere. Get a number. Mesa isn’t going under but things will anyways change in this industry.
Should that dissuade you? No. Seniority is king. Go somewhere. Get a number. Mesa isn’t going under but things will anyways change in this industry.
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