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Old 07-30-2019, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo View Post
Looks like Mesa got less than half the amount of people to upgrade that they wanted. I’m sure captains making $15-20 less an hr than other regionals doesn’t have anything to do with it.
I was initially responding that your logic was flawed and that the low CA pay had nothing to do with it. Then I started to type this response:

Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......

Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
I was initially responding that your logic was flawed and that the low CA pay had nothing to do with it. Then I started to type this response:

Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......

Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
Yup and the lateral move comes with a signing bonus and extra cash at some places since they already qualify for Captain.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:09 PM
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Still, why not upgrade until they get a better job? There’s no training contract right now and captain pay starts day one of training. I do get though if they don’t want reserve, but if it’s for better money then they should upgrade.
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Still, why not upgrade until they get a better job? There’s no training contract right now and captain pay starts day one of training. I do get though if they don’t want reserve, but if it’s for better money then they should upgrade.
Reserve bad schedule for a bunch of em. And some aren’t confident they can pass
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
I was initially responding that your logic was flawed and that the low CA pay had nothing to do with it. Then I started to type this response:

Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......

Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.

So a captain at Mesa makes more than 2nd year FO at Spirit?
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Old 07-31-2019, 03:18 PM
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Still, why not upgrade until they get a better job? There’s no training contract right now and captain pay starts day one of training. I do get though if they don’t want reserve, but if it’s for better money then they should upgrade.
Because once you start living at that income level it’s very difficult to move to cargo or LCC that pay less than 60 an hour the first year.
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So a captain at Mesa makes more than 2nd year FO at Spirit?
More that a first year FO. If you survive the first year it pays off.
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Because once you start living at that income level it’s very difficult to move to cargo or LCC that pay less than 60 an hour the first year.
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Originally Posted by UPSPleaseHireMe View Post
For those of you who worked at Mesa when their current contract was passed were those FO and Captain pay rates around the industry average back in 2017?

I can’t imagine the pilots would have voted in less than industry pay rates at that time. Thanks for the info. Envoy first year FOs now make $50/ hr first year.
Still not enough money. The true leaders of the pack and who we should all strive to match our Endeavors rates.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:21 PM
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Still not enough money. The true leaders of the pack and who we should all strive to match our Endeavors rates.
Making 150k+, other things start to become more important than money.
Days off are huge, not flying much, all your days off in a row, excellent healthcare, no crashpads, etc.
For those at Mesa who are bringing in 12k a month with 300%, wouldn't it be nice to achieve that without working extra days, without hoping that 300% is even available, that you retain 14 to 15 days off? Glad you guys are able to bring in that money.
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