Mesa Current Contract
07-30-2019 | 12:16 PM
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Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......
Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
07-30-2019 | 12:47 PM
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I was initially responding that your logic was flawed and that the low CA pay had nothing to do with it. Then I started to type this response:
Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......
Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......
Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
07-30-2019 | 02:09 PM
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Still, why not upgrade until they get a better job? There’s no training contract right now and captain pay starts day one of training. I do get though if they don’t want reserve, but if it’s for better money then they should upgrade.
07-30-2019 | 02:14 PM
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Reserve bad schedule for a bunch of em. And some aren’t confident they can pass
07-30-2019 | 05:46 PM
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I was initially responding that your logic was flawed and that the low CA pay had nothing to do with it. Then I started to type this response:
Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......
Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
Yes Mesa pay is presently low. But CA pay is MUCH higher than FO pay. So the upgrade is a raise that is better than a lateral move to another regional, Spirit, Frontier or any cargo outfit......
Then it hit me. You are right. Because FO's SHOULD move laterally or to an LCC or to a cargo outfit BECAUSE the CA pay IS what it is. You are better off making the move as an FO than you are as a CA - because financially the only move that makes sense after upgrade IS to a major. So if you are going to jump it's actually better to jump as an FO than as a CA. HOWEVER if CA rates were on a par or a bit higher then it would be more attractive to stay and make the jump to a major when the time comes. So I agree with you.
So a captain at Mesa makes more than 2nd year FO at Spirit?
07-31-2019 | 03:18 PM
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Because once you start living at that income level it’s very difficult to move to cargo or LCC that pay less than 60 an hour the first year.
08-05-2019 | 07:39 AM
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For those of you who worked at Mesa when their current contract was passed were those FO and Captain pay rates around the industry average back in 2017?
I can’t imagine the pilots would have voted in less than industry pay rates at that time. Thanks for the info. Envoy first year FOs now make $50/ hr first year.
I can’t imagine the pilots would have voted in less than industry pay rates at that time. Thanks for the info. Envoy first year FOs now make $50/ hr first year.
08-05-2019 | 02:21 PM
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Days off are huge, not flying much, all your days off in a row, excellent healthcare, no crashpads, etc.
For those at Mesa who are bringing in 12k a month with 300%, wouldn't it be nice to achieve that without working extra days, without hoping that 300% is even available, that you retain 14 to 15 days off? Glad you guys are able to bring in that money.
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