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Old 11-01-2019 | 09:30 AM
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I agree, but their days are limited, there are a ton of them, and there isn’t a replacement that is compliant with scope restrictions. United talks about growing with larger gauge aircraft. They also say that right now the 100 seat jets aren’t a fit for United. For right now they seem to want to go with used 737’s and 319’s. If that’s the plan, they better find a bunch of them. The new sim building is almost finished, they have added a bunch of instructors, and everything is being put in place to go full speed at TK and train a bunch of pilots. From what I see on this side of the fence is that they are gearing up for a bunch of mainline growth that will take back much of what is covered by the regionals now. Without a replacement for the 50 seat jets, they better start planning how to replace that flying.
Keep in mind the airline industry right now is in a good spot, which can turn on a dime. And the executives of every airline know this. They don't want to shrink regional feed, because that takes away a cushion they may need in the future. Oh sure, you will have shuffling around, but that is normal and comes in cycles.
Old 11-01-2019 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by vortacmeatsac
Keep in mind the airline industry right now is in a good spot, which can turn on a dime. And the executives of every airline know this. They don't want to shrink regional feed, because that takes away a cushion they may need in the future. Oh sure, you will have shuffling around, but that is normal and comes in cycles.
Don’t want to shrink regional feed?
Regional block hours have been steadily shrinking yoy like clockwork.
Old 11-01-2019 | 10:41 AM
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Don’t want to shrink regional feed?
Regional block hours have been steadily shrinking yoy like clockwork.
Point I am making is having that ace in the hole. Block hours for regional feed are easy to increase. I am talking about infrastructure, and ability to adapt and compete when things take a turn for the worse.
Old 11-01-2019 | 11:21 AM
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Point I am making is having that ace in the hole. Block hours for regional feed are easy to increase. I am talking about infrastructure, and ability to adapt and compete when things take a turn for the worse.
That is the point that ALPA is trying to make with management regarding 100 seat jets. It would give us a better product now, direct control, and a smaller sized aircraft in the fleet to be utilized when the next recession hits. I’d love to see 100+ E195E2’s or A220’s running around like Delta is doing, but so far they say no. They need to pick a path fairly soon. The 50 seat jets still have some life in them, but they are getting tired and the people don’t like them now that the E175 is out there. If I had a choice of buying a ticket on Delta on a E175 or A220 or United on an E145, I’d spend my money on Delta. I did last summer. I bought tickets for vacation on AA over UA to avoid a 2 hr flight in the 145. Those things are miserable.
Old 11-01-2019 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
That is the point that ALPA is trying to make with management regarding 100 seat jets. It would give us a better product now, direct control, and a smaller sized aircraft in the fleet to be utilized when the next recession hits. I’d love to see 100+ E195E2’s or A220’s running around like Delta is doing, but so far they say no. They need to pick a path fairly soon. The 50 seat jets still have some life in them, but they are getting tired and the people don’t like them now that the E175 is out there. If I had a choice of buying a ticket on Delta on a E175 or A220 or United on an E145, I’d spend my money on Delta. I did last summer. I bought tickets for vacation on AA over UA to avoid a 2 hr flight in the 145. Those things are miserable.
WHERE are you advocating those 100 seat jets be flown? Regionals and the regional concept needs to go away, not be filled with even larger planes flown for even lower wages.
Old 11-01-2019 | 12:05 PM
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WHERE are you advocating those 100 seat jets be flown? Regionals and the regional concept needs to go away, not be filled with even larger planes flown for even lower wages.
At United and flown by United pilots. It would create more mainline jobs and make parking the 50 seat jets less difficult. We have a ton of 50 seaters now because scope is working and they have no other option that they wish to take. Buying 100 seat jets would even give Kirby a few more 70 seaters that he wants so bad. The good news for the people in the regionals is more legacy vacancies, the bad news is that more jobs would be eliminated than created by mainline, but such is the nature of the swinging pendulum. Mainline jobs were eliminated to grow the regionals, and now scope will eventually force the elimination of regional jobs to grow mainline.
Old 11-01-2019 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
WHERE are you advocating those 100 seat jets be flown? Regionals and the regional concept needs to go away, not be filled with even larger planes flown for even lower wages.
Why does the regional concept need to go away?
Old 11-01-2019 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vortacmeatsac
Why does the regional concept need to go away?
All flying needs to be done at mainline. I wasn’t sure which side itsajob was advocating. Like I said, perpetuating regional flying perpetuates low paid pilots. Regional pilots earn something like 40-50% of what mainline pilots earn when you compare $/passenger, which is roughly how mainline pay is calculated.
Old 11-01-2019 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
All flying needs to be done at mainline. I wasn’t sure which side itsajob was advocating. Like I said, perpetuating regional flying perpetuates low paid pilots. Regional pilots earn something like 40-50% of what mainline pilots earn when you compare $/passenger, which is roughly how mainline pay is calculated.

So, in your opinion it would be best for major carriers to be flying smaller jets around at a loss, than using a source that actually brings in positive cash flow?
Old 11-01-2019 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by vortacmeatsac
So, in your opinion it would be best for major carriers to be flying smaller jets around at a loss, than using a source that actually brings in positive cash flow?
I could care less what’s in the major carriers best interest. I’m a selfish you know what. Pay me what I’m worth. If you honestly don’t understand what’s wrong with these B scale jobs then you need to get your head examined. That or you are a brainwashed SKW shill.
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