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11-01-2019 | 05:57 AM
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How many CRJ-700’s are available for conversion, and how many 550’s is United wanting? As the current 50 seat jets age out there aren’t really that many replacements out there or any real chance of new 50 seat jets being produced. They are going to become obsolete like the B1900 and Saab 340. Scope is maxed out, so a CRJ-700 has to be pulled for conversion before a replacement 70 seat jet can turn a wheel in revenue service. It should be interesting to watch. My guess is that in the next 5-10 years the regionals will park the vast majority of the 50 seat jets and cover the thin markets with the existing 70-76 seat jets, and United will have had to acquire more small 737’s/319’s, or order 100 seat mainline jets to cover the rest.
11-01-2019 | 06:24 AM
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How many CRJ-700’s are available for conversion, and how many 550’s is United wanting? As the current 50 seat jets age out there aren’t really that many replacements out there or any real chance of new 50 seat jets being produced. They are going to become obsolete like the B1900 and Saab 340. Scope is maxed out, so a CRJ-700 has to be pulled for conversion before a replacement 70 seat jet can turn a wheel in revenue service. It should be interesting to watch. My guess is that in the next 5-10 years the regionals will park the vast majority of the 50 seat jets and cover the thin markets with the existing 70-76 seat jets, and United will have had to acquire more small 737’s/319’s, or order 100 seat mainline jets to cover the rest.
11-01-2019 | 07:28 AM
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Not right now they’re not, but there are a bunch of 145’s and CRJ-200’s that are getting pretty old. Not trying to pick a legacy/regional fight, but what will they be replaced with? I’m actually interested in other people’s opinions (not flame throwing trolls). Scope is maxed out and there are only so many CRJ-700’s available for conversion. United has a bunch of 50 seat jets operating that will need to be replaced in the not too distance future. With scope what it is, what are the options? Embraer is pushing the 170/175 line and not really selling new 145’s, the E2 jets are too heavy, customers prefer larger planes, United is pushing 2 class service......
11-01-2019 | 08:02 AM
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Not right now they’re not, but there are a bunch of 145’s and CRJ-200’s that are getting pretty old. Not trying to pick a legacy/regional fight, but what will they be replaced with? I’m actually interested in other people’s opinions (not flame throwing trolls). Scope is maxed out and there are only so many CRJ-700’s available for conversion. United has a bunch of 50 seat jets operating that will need to be replaced in the not too distance future. With scope what it is, what are the options? Embraer is pushing the 170/175 line and not really selling new 145’s, the E2 jets are too heavy, customers prefer larger planes, United is pushing 2 class service......
But there really are no good options for a 50 seat aircraft and by the time one is created (if) there might not be enough of a market for it.
Even the new Embraer 170-E2 doesn’t fit scope of most or all of the big three and neither does MRJ so they are unlikely to try and down scale them to 50 seat because the cost to do so and end product will be too expensive.
11-01-2019 | 08:15 AM
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I actually see a very real chance of the Embraer E-2 series being operated independent of CPAs with the biggies. For that matter, at least one legacy exists (Alaska) that has no scope limitations. But more realistically, I see something more like Moxy, freestanding from any existing major with the ability to buy and operate aircraft to fill whatever niche market they desire. And aircraft like the smaller E-2s that have specifically been DESIGNED for that niche will quite likely be more economical than filling it any other way.
Nature (and economics) hates a vacuum. In a niche where a 50 or 60 seater (or an 80 or 90 seater) is right for the market, someone will eventually fill that vacuum.
Nature (and economics) hates a vacuum. In a niche where a 50 or 60 seater (or an 80 or 90 seater) is right for the market, someone will eventually fill that vacuum.
11-01-2019 | 08:49 AM
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Not right now they’re not, but there are a bunch of 145’s and CRJ-200’s that are getting pretty old. Not trying to pick a legacy/regional fight, but what will they be replaced with? I’m actually interested in other people’s opinions (not flame throwing trolls). Scope is maxed out and there are only so many CRJ-700’s available for conversion. United has a bunch of 50 seat jets operating that will need to be replaced in the not too distance future. With scope what it is, what are the options? Embraer is pushing the 170/175 line and not really selling new 145’s, the E2 jets are too heavy, customers prefer larger planes, United is pushing 2 class service......
11-01-2019 | 09:01 AM
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United isn’t the only legacy interested in those 700s Mesa has...
11-01-2019 | 09:02 AM
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I actually see a very real chance of the Embraer E-2 series being operated independent of CPAs with the biggies. For that matter, at least one legacy exists (Alaska) that has no scope limitations. But more realistically, I see something more like Moxy, freestanding from any existing major with the ability to buy and operate aircraft to fill whatever niche market they desire. And aircraft like the smaller E-2s that have specifically been DESIGNED for that niche will quite likely be more economical than filling it any other way.
Nature (and economics) hates a vacuum. In a niche where a 50 or 60 seater (or an 80 or 90 seater) is right for the market, someone will eventually fill that vacuum.
Nature (and economics) hates a vacuum. In a niche where a 50 or 60 seater (or an 80 or 90 seater) is right for the market, someone will eventually fill that vacuum.
11-01-2019 | 09:14 AM
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You hit the nail on the head with your comment about what will they replace them with. That is the problem, no manufacturer has stepped up to the plate with a solid plan to do so. That is why they will be flying as long as humanly possible, or until something comes up to fill the void.
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