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Old 11-02-2020 | 07:04 PM
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No they didn't even buy that. They bought the sales and service network of the CRJ. Bombardier still owns the type and tooling and factory and is actually still fulfilling some final orders. But sales and service are MHI's.
It was an acquisition of the entire CRJ program, except the manufacturing of the remaining orders, which BBD did/is doing on behalf of MHIRJ. Potato potahto. MHIRJ owns everything CRJ now. Intellectual property, airworthiness certificate support, sales, service, parts distribution, maintenance, engineering, etc. Will they be building them in their own assembly line in Japan? No. But neither will bombardier.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301068197.html

“The launch of MHIRJ coincides with the acquisition close of the CRJ Series Program from Bombardier Inc. (Bombardier) (TSX: BBD.B) by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (MHI)

As part of the acquisition, MHI acquires the maintenance, engineering, airworthiness certification support, refurbishment, asset management, marketing, and sales activities for the CRJ Series aircraft, along with the type certificates and related intellectual property rights. This transaction also includes the related services and support network mainly located in Mirabeland Toronto (Canada), and Bridgeport and Tucson (United States). CRJ Series Spare parts will continue to be distributed from depots in Chicago (United States) and Frankfurt (Germany).”



If you look up the CRJ type certificate holder, you won’t find it under bombardier anymore. https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/
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Old 11-03-2020 | 09:23 AM
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Thank you for posting complete and accurate info.

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It was an acquisition of the entire CRJ program, except the manufacturing of the remaining orders, which BBD did/is doing on behalf of MHIRJ. Potato potahto. MHIRJ owns everything CRJ now. Intellectual property, airworthiness certificate support, sales, service, parts distribution, maintenance, engineering, etc. Will they be building them in their own assembly line in Japan? No. But neither will bombardier.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301068197.html

“The launch of MHIRJ coincides with the acquisition close of the CRJ Series Program from Bombardier Inc. (Bombardier) (TSX: BBD.B) by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (MHI)

As part of the acquisition, MHI acquires the maintenance, engineering, airworthiness certification support, refurbishment, asset management, marketing, and sales activities for the CRJ Series aircraft, along with the type certificates and related intellectual property rights. This transaction also includes the related services and support network mainly located in Mirabeland Toronto (Canada), and Bridgeport and Tucson (United States). CRJ Series Spare parts will continue to be distributed from depots in Chicago (United States) and Frankfurt (Germany).”



If you look up the CRJ type certificate holder, you won’t find it under bombardier anymore. https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/
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Old 11-03-2020 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by copy
It was an acquisition of the entire CRJ program, except the manufacturing of the remaining orders, which BBD did/is doing on behalf of MHIRJ. Potato potahto. MHIRJ owns everything CRJ now. Intellectual property, airworthiness certificate support, sales, service, parts distribution, maintenance, engineering, etc. Will they be building them in their own assembly line in Japan? No. But neither will bombardier.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301068197.html

“The launch of MHIRJ coincides with the acquisition close of the CRJ Series Program from Bombardier Inc. (Bombardier) (TSX: BBD.B) by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (MHI)

As part of the acquisition, MHI acquires the maintenance, engineering, airworthiness certification support, refurbishment, asset management, marketing, and sales activities for the CRJ Series aircraft, along with the type certificates and related intellectual property rights. This transaction also includes the related services and support network mainly located in Mirabeland Toronto (Canada), and Bridgeport and Tucson (United States). CRJ Series Spare parts will continue to be distributed from depots in Chicago (United States) and Frankfurt (Germany).”



If you look up the CRJ type certificate holder, you won’t find it under bombardier anymore. https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/

This is correct. MHI wanted the sales & support network, and the established business relationships with RJ operators since they don't have any such infrastructure for sales/support of MRJ.

As part of the deal they had to allow for the completion and delivery of the outstanding CRJ orders. After that's done, they transition to CRJ support and start pitching sales of MRJ. Or at least that WAS the plan. Obviously on hiatus now but I don't think MHI is going just ditch the MRJ after all the years and money. They'll take the long view.

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Old 11-03-2020 | 11:14 AM
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MHI has made the occasional hint in the direction of further crj development:

https://aviationweek.com/mro/mitsubi...-spacejet-halt
Interestingly, MHI also wants to expand its MRO reach to non-CRJ platforms, as well as pursue a feasibility study for a potential CRJ upgrade.”

With the continued evidence of backbone at UA/DL re: the 86,000lb limit, and the difficulty in getting an ejet or a spacejet under it with modern efficient engines, the crj has some potential for a 3rd act.

Plenty of discussions on a.net about how to get there. Basically,
1. easy plug and play to replace 30 y/o avionics with lighter, more reliable, cooler running more sophisticated tech.
2. Use marketing words like “atmosphere” etc. to get pax into the little tube.
3. with no suitable replacement for the 40 y/o cf34 tech, and no business case for developing a new engine in this class, its either a “leap” like evolution of the cf34, or adapt the oversize gtf. Both are much heavier, leading to a 76 seat crj 800. ie, a crj900 ahead of the wing with the shorter aft fus of the 700 behind the wing.

If the regional is to continue in anything like it’s present form it will require something like this, a 76 seater w/50 seat fuel burn, or a new turboprop.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:10 PM
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I like turbo props and all but I much prefer hot wings. 😀
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Old 11-03-2020 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I like turbo props and all but I much prefer hot wings. 😀
I like rubber bands.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
No they didn't even buy that. They bought the sales and service network of the CRJ. Bombardier still owns the type and tooling and factory and is actually still fulfilling some final orders. But sales and service are MHI's.
you get things wrong a lot.
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Old 11-04-2020 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlag q
you get things wrong a lot.
I was wrong on the type. That’s one thing.
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