Title Match tomorrow: Heavy Weight (Delta) VS. Middle Weight (MESA)
01-30-2009, 08:50 AM
#71
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: EMB 145 FO
Posts: 425
Originally Posted by Spoilers
Seriously, what the hell do you guys expect is going to happen tomorrow? Half of you don't even have your facts srtraight and don't even know exactly what they are going to court for. I know all of your guys' wet dream is that Mesa will lose, everyone will drop Mesa as a regional carrier so your crappy regional will profit from it. I wonder who the first guy will be to start a new thread tomorrow with "Does anyone know if mesa lost today?"
And no, I do not work for Mesa.
And no, I do not work for Mesa.
01-30-2009, 09:18 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by andy171773
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
for the win!
for the win!
01-30-2009, 09:20 AM
#75
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Originally Posted by CRJPlt
Yes, I sought victory in not only proving DAL filed an appeal and that is what the case is about, its on DAL to show the evidence against Mesa's case, but more to show that people on here don't have a flipping clue what they are talking about. Everybody comes on to this site uneducated about certain issues and spouts off out of their behind without any educated information. Please don't sit and bash another company without the correct facts...
01-30-2009, 09:25 AM
#76
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Originally Posted by hyperboy
First of all if thats what you believe then thats cool. Although you did not PROVE anything. Where are the numbers? I want to see the numbers. All of the numbers because that it is where the truth lies right? It all sounds good to say...Now lets see it?!
01-30-2009, 11:19 AM
#80
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SkyWest Capt.
Posts: 2,963
Facts:
1) Mesa is one of, if not the worst, airline in America. Not because of their employees but because of Orenstein. He used to work for Lorenzo (chip off the old block), he has been found guilty of illegal business actions several several times over that last two decades and he single handily took a descent regional (Mesa before 98) and turned them into today’s worst bottom feeder.
2) DAL now cares more about quality than the lowest cost. If someone has to high of cost and provides equal services as others then DAL will whip them into shape or ditch them. If others who are on par as far as price but below average in quality DAL will whip them into shape or ditch them as well (this is what’s happening to Mesa). DAL wants system wide consistency on both price and quality.
3) DAL needs to cut capacity and Mesa’s going to get the full Axe whereas others will get the chisel.
I do wish all Mesa employees the best but Orenstein’s got to go one way or another. I do not want to see anyone lose their jobs but Orenstein hasn’t shown the same kind of compassion that you guys are asking for. If you get the axe and the downward spiral gets increasing steep then you only have one person to blame……………..Orenstein! You all should picket 24/7 outside his house and the houses of the BOD until he is gone and gone for good.
BTW, when I speak of quality I’m not talking about the pilots. I’m sure that the majority of Mesa pilots are outstanding people, the ones that I’ve jumpseat with were. No, when I’m talk about quality I’m talking about the a/c and other aspects. All one has to do is get on board and see the lack of care; from the disgusting seats that haven’t been properly maintained to the finger prints and grease stains on the overheads and walls. Plus Mesa's airplanes haven’t been washed in ages and no offense but I’ve seen more unprofessional FA’s on Mesa flights than any other (when you two leg commute you quickly get to know who is Q and who is not). I’m talking about not facing the passengers when you do your announcements to the partial uniforms and unprofessional mannerisms/tones. We all have bad apples but I've seen more on Mesa flights than anywhere else. At SKW, as well as many others, our a/c get routine baths and its mandatory that our Mx professionals do a complete wipe down of their interior and exterior work areas as well as a spot search for other areas of interest. If I see a stain on the wall I will do my best to clean it off or I’ll call for a Mx professional to come over and take care of the matter. On the majority of Mesa flights if they want to remove all the stains they’d have to cancel the flight in order to have enough time.
Once again, don’t take this personal Mesa peeps. It just shows that your Mgmnt team would rather put out a cheap product than a quality product. To them the cheapest will always survive and that’s not necessarily true anymore.
Best of luck guys but until JO's gone........................well I'm preaching to the choir.
Take Care,
JK
1) Mesa is one of, if not the worst, airline in America. Not because of their employees but because of Orenstein. He used to work for Lorenzo (chip off the old block), he has been found guilty of illegal business actions several several times over that last two decades and he single handily took a descent regional (Mesa before 98) and turned them into today’s worst bottom feeder.
2) DAL now cares more about quality than the lowest cost. If someone has to high of cost and provides equal services as others then DAL will whip them into shape or ditch them. If others who are on par as far as price but below average in quality DAL will whip them into shape or ditch them as well (this is what’s happening to Mesa). DAL wants system wide consistency on both price and quality.
3) DAL needs to cut capacity and Mesa’s going to get the full Axe whereas others will get the chisel.
I do wish all Mesa employees the best but Orenstein’s got to go one way or another. I do not want to see anyone lose their jobs but Orenstein hasn’t shown the same kind of compassion that you guys are asking for. If you get the axe and the downward spiral gets increasing steep then you only have one person to blame……………..Orenstein! You all should picket 24/7 outside his house and the houses of the BOD until he is gone and gone for good.
BTW, when I speak of quality I’m not talking about the pilots. I’m sure that the majority of Mesa pilots are outstanding people, the ones that I’ve jumpseat with were. No, when I’m talk about quality I’m talking about the a/c and other aspects. All one has to do is get on board and see the lack of care; from the disgusting seats that haven’t been properly maintained to the finger prints and grease stains on the overheads and walls. Plus Mesa's airplanes haven’t been washed in ages and no offense but I’ve seen more unprofessional FA’s on Mesa flights than any other (when you two leg commute you quickly get to know who is Q and who is not). I’m talking about not facing the passengers when you do your announcements to the partial uniforms and unprofessional mannerisms/tones. We all have bad apples but I've seen more on Mesa flights than anywhere else. At SKW, as well as many others, our a/c get routine baths and its mandatory that our Mx professionals do a complete wipe down of their interior and exterior work areas as well as a spot search for other areas of interest. If I see a stain on the wall I will do my best to clean it off or I’ll call for a Mx professional to come over and take care of the matter. On the majority of Mesa flights if they want to remove all the stains they’d have to cancel the flight in order to have enough time.
Once again, don’t take this personal Mesa peeps. It just shows that your Mgmnt team would rather put out a cheap product than a quality product. To them the cheapest will always survive and that’s not necessarily true anymore.
Best of luck guys but until JO's gone........................well I'm preaching to the choir.
Take Care,
JK
Last edited by JetJock16; 01-30-2009 at 11:52 AM. Reason: errors
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