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11-27-2014, 09:23 AM
#4131
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Originally Posted by ihateIAD
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
You better learn to embrace the suck, man; having a 'tude over your base right out of the gate is not a great way to start your career here.
You can eat shtt. A "career" here? That's laughable. This airline isn't a career unless you fckd up somewhere along the line. I've paid more dues and embraced more suck than the majority of people in this industry. Fck yourself.
Originally Posted by Blackwing
You better learn to embrace the suck, man; having a 'tude over your base right out of the gate is not a great way to start your career here.
You can eat shtt. A "career" here? That's laughable. This airline isn't a career unless you fckd up somewhere along the line. I've paid more dues and embraced more suck than the majority of people in this industry. Fck yourself.
I'll bite... so why did you come work here?
11-27-2014, 10:02 AM
#4132
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Position: CRJ FO
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Originally Posted by prior121
I'll bite... so why did you come work here?
To summarize: Total pay for 3-5 years (assuming CA pay at some point halfway thru that timeframe) + QOL along the way (living in base) + marketability for an actual "career" flying job = where I want to go.
You? Quick upgrade? Same reasons, same end-state, I would venture to guess. Unless someone just doesn't do any research on the industry or a particular company, I think everyone makes the best decision for him/herself for the reasons they value using similar logic...which is why I don't know why people are still going to SKW/XJT/ENY.
11-27-2014, 10:09 AM
#4133
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I should also add the training department's reputation was good (and I agree with that reputation for the most part), so that was another reason. And training was close to home.
11-27-2014, 11:12 AM
#4134
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Position: Bob's Big Boy Front Office Staffer
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ihateIAD it Sounds like your actually gargling on those ... Icles
Facebiter is actually right on that one->
Facebiter is actually right on that one->
Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Da upgradezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!1!!!!
11-27-2014, 12:38 PM
#4135
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I think it's hilarious listening to new hires complain about their line, their commute, their domicile, etc.. We're talking about people who have never (and will never) know what it does to your body/mind doing regularly-scheduled reduced-rest overnights at exactly 8 hours block-in to report time; people who will probably never do CDOs on a regular basis; people who have had KCM since the first month of their airline career...and people whose first 121 checkride/groundschool was in an AQP environment, instead of the "trial by fire" insanity of old school PCs/checkrides.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
11-27-2014, 12:45 PM
#4136
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I think it's hilarious listening to new hires complain about their line, their commute, their domicile, etc.. We're talking about people who have never (and will never) know what it does to your body/mind doing regularly-scheduled reduced-rest overnights at exactly 8 hours block-in to report time; people who will probably never do CDOs on a regular basis; people who have had KCM since the first month of their airline career...and people whose first 121 checkride/groundschool was in an AQP environment, instead of the "trial by fire" insanity of old school PCs/checkrides.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
Did you walk up hill both ways in snow to get to your gate? Do you remember when being a pilot was hard?
11-27-2014, 12:51 PM
#4137
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I think it's hilarious listening to new hires complain about their line, their commute, their domicile, etc.. We're talking about people who have never (and will never) know what it does to your body/mind doing regularly-scheduled reduced-rest overnights at exactly 8 hours block-in to report time; people who will probably never do CDOs on a regular basis; people who have had KCM since the first month of their airline career...and people whose first 121 checkride/groundschool was in an AQP environment, instead of the "trial by fire" insanity of old school PCs/checkrides.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
11-27-2014, 01:10 PM
#4138
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Originally Posted by FerrisBluer
Wow...you guys think IAD blows now??? I remember the A gates, the dungeon. The "old" crew room by the corner Ethiopia and Pakistan. They were still constructing the B concourse. People movers everywhere, no train. Air Wisconsin ground handling with a ground handler nearly walking into a colgan prop every day. I remember when the Trans States pilot and the mechanic got in a fist fight at the A gates.
Actually even before that, during the ACA/Independence Air stuff when we had I think the remote "F" gates. Now THAT SUCKED!!!! Those remote gates were like a greyhound bus station in North Central Philly. Oh and back then, no KCM either so you if you timed it just right you'd be able to get behind the 19 person Saudia Crew going through the only employee lane.
Dulles isn't even that expensive, unless you're living as if you are on "single airline captain" wages and staying at hotels while on reserve. Dulles crew rates are high, ground transportation is a nightmare with the Flyer. But overall it is doable and guys b*tchin have no idea what Dulles was. Besides dulles lately has to be extremely temporary for most. Suck it up and bid out.
scuffle mentioned above was caught on film:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewq9NncD_QM
Actually even before that, during the ACA/Independence Air stuff when we had I think the remote "F" gates. Now THAT SUCKED!!!! Those remote gates were like a greyhound bus station in North Central Philly. Oh and back then, no KCM either so you if you timed it just right you'd be able to get behind the 19 person Saudia Crew going through the only employee lane.
Dulles isn't even that expensive, unless you're living as if you are on "single airline captain" wages and staying at hotels while on reserve. Dulles crew rates are high, ground transportation is a nightmare with the Flyer. But overall it is doable and guys b*tchin have no idea what Dulles was. Besides dulles lately has to be extremely temporary for most. Suck it up and bid out.
scuffle mentioned above was caught on film:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewq9NncD_QM
Originally Posted by Blackwing
You better learn to embrace the suck, man; having a 'tude over your base right out of the gate is not a great way to start your career here.
Originally Posted by ihateIAD
You can eat shtt. A "career" here? That's laughable. This airline isn't a career unless you fckd up somewhere along the line. I've paid more dues and embraced more suck than the majority of people in this industry. Fck yourself.
11-27-2014, 01:24 PM
#4139
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Originally Posted by FerrisBluer
What suck have you embraced to actually think that Dulles "at present" is such a terrible place ? Enlighten us
11-27-2014, 01:24 PM
#4140
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Position: CRJ CA
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I think it's hilarious listening to new hires complain about their line, their commute, their domicile, etc.. We're talking about people who have never (and will never) know what it does to your body/mind doing regularly-scheduled reduced-rest overnights at exactly 8 hours block-in to report time; people who will probably never do CDOs on a regular basis; people who have had KCM since the first month of their airline career...and people whose first 121 checkride/groundschool was in an AQP environment, instead of the "trial by fire" insanity of old school PCs/checkrides.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
Anytime someone starts complaining, I ask them if they ever flew 121 before January of this year--if the answer is "no" I just laugh out loud and roll my eyes--they have no idea how much better QOL is at every regional now compared to the last 5-10 years.
The new hires I've flown with have all been fairly decent men and women, and seem to be happy to be here (at least for now) flying our not-so-SJS shiny jets. Those who want to get to PHX seem to be getting there fairly quickly, much faster than the pre-bankruptcy days.
I've heard a few whiners, flown with a couple of folks who seem to think that they should get a CA recommendation because they put their pants on correctly in the morning (fast upgrade!).
If Mr. IhateIAD is so un-enamored with Mesa, perhaps he'd be happier at PSA, there's a "me me me" pilot group that looks out for everyone (not)! I heard their training department is "top-notch" too, with a better than 40% fail rate on new-hire check rides. Sounds like the kind of place that would make "Maverick" IhateIAD happy as can be. Embrace the suck of a commute to TYS or DAY my man!
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