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11-04-2013 | 04:14 AM
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If you decide to work fro Mesa just keep in mind that it's one of the worse regional's to be working for. Management will always be looking for ways to steal from you. This is a company that will only let you have one small bottle of water per leg, if you want a coke or juice they charge you for it. No other airline does that. They will steal your vacation pay, and then fight you over it. They offer less vacation weeks to bid and if you don't get your bid they will not cash out or let you bank your vacation. Every month make sure you keep track of your Per Diem and Flight pay because they will short you on your paycheck and then when you call them on it they just say sorry it must have been a mistake. Most guys don't keep track of it and the company knows that so they use it against you. I know a case of a pilot calling to get released when his wife called him and said her mother was dying, they called the company and the company said that they could not know for sure that she was dying and they could not release them. There was another IAD Captain whose father passed away while he was on a trip and when he called the company to get released, crew tracking told him he had to finish the trip because they didn't have another captain to cover it. They will be putting you up in hotels that are the cheapest they can find. They tend to be dirty and nasty and not in the safest areas. If you decide to work for Mesa more power to you, but keep in mind what type of company you will be working for.
Anyway, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. If the hell you're describing truly exists, I can't imagine how previous posters could have written positively about Mesa in this thread.
11-04-2013 | 07:26 AM
#512
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From: CRJ
No idea where that info is coming from. In 10 years, I've never been regulated on how much soda/water/snacks I eat at Mesa.
I'm not arguing the validity of the other personal stories (I have some of my own), but the support of the CURRENT chief pilots at Mesa is amazing. If you have a true legit issue to leave work, they will help. Crew Tracking is a completely different animal and I personally keep them out of the equation if I'm dealing with a personal crisis.
Just my .02
I'm not arguing the validity of the other personal stories (I have some of my own), but the support of the CURRENT chief pilots at Mesa is amazing. If you have a true legit issue to leave work, they will help. Crew Tracking is a completely different animal and I personally keep them out of the equation if I'm dealing with a personal crisis.
Just my .02
11-04-2013 | 07:35 AM
#513
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Go! operates as an 100% fee for anything operation. They make the passengers pay to check even one bag, change tickets, any sort of beverage on the aircraft costs money. Therefore the flight attendants have to keep a tight inventory of the beverages and snacks, that paperwork is turned in at the destination. i.e. Leave HNL with 10 cokes and arrive with 5 in KOA, there better be $ turned in for those 5 missing drinks.
Maybe you can knock Management for this but I really can't. They're trying to run a lean business out there. One free water per 20min leg was plenty for me. Your sweating enough out there you don't need to be drinking soda anyway.
They will steal your vacation pay, and then fight you over it. They offer less vacation weeks to bid and if you don't get your bid they will not cash out or let you bank your vacation. Every month make sure you keep track of your Per Diem and Flight pay because they will short you on your paycheck and then when you call them on it they just say sorry it must have been a mistake.
I know a case of a pilot calling to get released when his wife called him and said her mother was dying, they called the company and the company said that they could not know for sure that she was dying and they could not release them. There was another IAD Captain whose father passed away while he was on a trip and when he called the company to get released, crew tracking told him he had to finish the trip because they didn't have another captain to cover it.
Maybe in the old Mesa days sure. AI and CC are good guys. I guarantee you, if someone called them with these type of issues today they would be released. If my father was dying, I would not be calling Crew Tracking to get released. They aren't my managers, I would be calling a Chief Pilot. And like I said, in those situations I guarantee those guys are going to take care of you.
They will be putting you up in hotels that are the cheapest they can find. They tend to be dirty and nasty and not in the safest areas. If you decide to work for Mesa more power to you, but keep in mind what type of company you will be working for.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, we're all on the same team.
I'm just not sure if that was 100% fair and honest information for a perspective new hire to read.
11-04-2013 | 07:47 AM
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Sorry, this goes way back in the thread, but can someone comment on "background issues"? I was offered a position over the phone and definitely don't want to upend my life only to be sent home. Are these logbook error/speeding ticket types of issues, or more along the lines of undisclosed felony/no medical?
11-04-2013 | 07:58 AM
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From: Bob's Big Boy Front Office Staffer
If you decide to work fro Mesa just keep in mind that it's one of the worse regional's to be working for. Management will always be looking for ways to steal from you. This is a company that will only let you have one small bottle of water per leg, if you want a coke or juice they charge you for it. No other airline does that. They will steal your vacation pay, and then fight you over it. They offer less vacation weeks to bid and if you don't get your bid they will not cash out or let you bank your vacation. Every month make sure you keep track of your Per Diem and Flight pay because they will short you on your paycheck and then when you call them on it they just say sorry it must have been a mistake. Most guys don't keep track of it and the company knows that so they use it against you. I know a case of a pilot calling to get released when his wife called him and said her mother was dying, they called the company and the company said that they could not know for sure that she was dying and they could not release them. There was another IAD Captain whose father passed away while he was on a trip and when he called the company to get released, crew tracking told him he had to finish the trip because they didn't have another captain to cover it. They will be putting you up in hotels that are the cheapest they can find. They tend to be dirty and nasty and not in the safest areas. If you decide to work for Mesa more power to you, but keep in mind what type of company you will be working for.
11-04-2013 | 10:21 AM
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Ok Mesa pilots. Tell me this: I have an opportunity to go fly for a 91k operator that flies Hawkers and Kings Airs. After six months I'd be flying both, so I'd have a type and be getting some jet SIC time. One downside is that I'd only fly 300 to 400 hours per year and an upgrade wouldn't come for 2 to 3 years (King Air first). The pay is more than double and goes up.
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
11-04-2013 | 10:29 AM
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Ok Mesa pilots. Tell me this: I have an opportunity to go fly for a 91k operator that flies Hawkers and Kings Airs. After six months I'd be flying both, so I'd have a type and be getting some jet SIC time. One downside is that I'd only fly 300 to 400 hours per year and an upgrade wouldn't come for 2 to 3 years (King Air first). The pay is more than double and goes up.
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
The regional industry is really not a great life especially if you're commuting, and there are no guarantees you'll ever make it to a mainline. I don't work for Mesa but I think your best bet would be to do whatever allows the best life for your family.
11-04-2013 | 10:31 AM
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Ok Mesa pilots. Tell me this: I have an opportunity to go fly for a 91k operator that flies Hawkers and Kings Airs. After six months I'd be flying both, so I'd have a type and be getting some jet SIC time. One downside is that I'd only fly 300 to 400 hours per year and an upgrade wouldn't come for 2 to 3 years (King Air first). The pay is more than double and goes up.
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
I'm still leaning toward Mesa because there's a lot more flying and 121 time seems to be pretty valuable. A chance also exists that upgrades could come in less than two years.
Is this the wrong decision?
Go to a crappy regional and fly as much as you can.
11-04-2013 | 10:41 AM
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What are your eventual goals? Does this other job allow you to live where you work? How far up does the pay go?
The regional industry is really not a great life especially if you're commuting, and there are no guarantees you'll ever make it to a mainline. I don't work for Mesa but I think your best bet would be to do whatever allows the best life for your family.
The regional industry is really not a great life especially if you're commuting, and there are no guarantees you'll ever make it to a mainline. I don't work for Mesa but I think your best bet would be to do whatever allows the best life for your family.
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