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#7851

tinman1 , 05-13-2015 12:23 PM

sippin' dat koolaid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pullout

It makes perfect sense for United and American not to hire one of their cheapest contractors that happen to perform at the top. I can only imagine the closed door agreements management has made to get new flying. So if you really want that quick upgrade into below industry par Captain pay, come on board for life; because as of now, it's not too rosy for Mesa pilots moving up to a legacy. Go to one of the other regionals and get hired as an FO into a legacy. Mesa isn't a horrible company, but people need to know that their hope to get some PIC and move on is a falacy at this point. (And I'm usually the optimistic one)

This is wild speculation at best.

On a side note, I wonder how many points you can score at a legacy interview for arguing with strangers on APC. "Self enrichment activities? Well I am quite the pro at hashing it out with anonymous folks on an internet board!"

#7852

tinman1 , 05-13-2015 12:23 PM

sippin' dat koolaid

Quote:

Originally Posted by airflight999

Looks like no more Mexico and Canada overnights out of PHX for this bid.

There is a Corpus Christi overnight though. Anyone have experience there?

No SFO or SAT overnights either

#7853

milehighskyline , 05-13-2015 12:51 PM

Gets Weekends Off

Any chance multiple people can pitch in on a EE parking pass at DFW/ PHX/ iAd. Do they keep track of which pass/car is in lot? at specific bases? Thanks for any and all input.

#7854

Rosey , 05-13-2015 12:59 PM

Some weekends off

Quote:

Originally Posted by airflight999

Looks like no more Mexico and Canada overnights out of PHX for this bid.

There is a Corpus Christi overnight though. Anyone have experience there?

Corpus is far from a top tier city but there's plenty to do. If you're at a hotel on the marina and have a long overnight, go see USS Lexington. Just want to have a decent meal? Harrison's Landing on the water or Water St Oyster Bar on Water St. Or just hit up tripadvisor or Yelp... Not a tier 1 city but not bad either.

#7855

24/48 , 05-13-2015 01:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pullout

People are bragging or arguing about our quick upgrade at Mesa. What the prospective candidates need to be aware of is the lack of hiring prospects from the legacies once they pin on those Mesa wings. A VERY SMALL (around a dozen that I know of) and 'select' few have been picked up by the majors in the last six months. Ask someone at express jet/Skywest/republic etc. how many hundred pilots they've lost in the last six months in comparison. It makes perfect sense for United and American not to hire one of their cheapest contractors that happen to perform at the top. I can only imagine the closed door agreements management has made to get new flying. So if you really want that quick upgrade into below industry par Captain pay, come on board for life; because as of now, it's not too rosy for Mesa pilots moving up to a legacy. Go to one of the other regionals and get hired as an FO into a legacy. Mesa isn't a horrible company, but people need to know that their hope to get some PIC and move on is a falacy at this point. (And I'm usually the optimistic one)

I can tell you for a fact that you a wrong. In fact, Skywest pilots have the worst reputation as new-hires at UAL and we still hire Skywest pilots because there are always a few bad apples in a bunch. Latest numbers for UAL is 1,579 new hires in the next 16 months, Military pool is dried up, so we are pillaging the regional pool.

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Originally Posted by Pullout

That's weird. I'm not a lifer. And neither are many of my colleagues (college educated as well to placate the other poster that resorts to name calling.) But if you have a better idea to explain the disparity in hiring, please enlighten me instead of name calling.
Do you think United will award a new long term contract to a regional it thinks is unable to staff the flying? It's not complicated. Wait for some new great news for Mesa.
Please try to respond logically this time instead of emotionally. I understand it's not fun to hear you probably chose the wrong regional. I know this because I'm at the same one. Also, if he is truly your friend in HR, what are you still doing at Mesa?

The logic above is nothing but pure conspiracy theory. UAL seeks the best applicant regardless of heritage. UAL is also the most "HR" based airline where "bubba deals" are flushed out pretty quickly. So not only is your theory absurd, but so is your last question.

#7856

Coneydog , 05-13-2015 01:14 PM

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24/48, just curious why Skywest pilots have the worst rep as new hires at United?

#7857

Rosey , 05-13-2015 01:15 PM

Some weekends off

Agreed. Qualifications are qualifications. Sustained superior performance wins the day as told to me in so many different ways by every recruiter from every major I've ever spoken to. They publish their formulas and hiring criteria for reason and from what I can tell, hold true to that.

#7858

bozobigtop , 05-13-2015 02:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pullout

People are bragging or arguing about our quick upgrade at Mesa. What the prospective candidates need to be aware of is the lack of hiring prospects from the legacies once they pin on those Mesa wings. A VERY SMALL (around a dozen that I know of) and 'select' few have been picked up by the majors in the last six months. Ask someone at express jet/Skywest/republic etc. how many hundred pilots they've lost in the last six months in comparison. It makes perfect sense for United and American not to hire one of their cheapest contractors that happen to perform at the top. I can only imagine the closed door agreements management has made to get new flying. So if you really want that quick upgrade into below industry par Captain pay, come on board for life; because as of now, it's not too rosy for Mesa pilots moving up to a legacy. Go to one of the other regionals and get hired as an FO into a legacy. Mesa isn't a horrible company, but people need to know that their hope to get some PIC and move on is a falacy at this point. (And I'm usually the optimistic one)

Since you appear to be misinformed you should search the history of Mesa and America West, after you have finished that task you should research what company bought/merged US Airways and now American. I would also suggest you not p*ss off anymore of the men and women I flew with doing that time period!

#7859

FrequentFly3r , 05-13-2015 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pullout

There's some mighty sensitive people on here. I didn't mean to stir up such emotions with my opinion. And yes, it is my speculative opinion as I have no proof. All I know is we have only had less than a dozen move on to bigger and better legacy in the last six months whereas other regionals are losing that amount monthly (including FO's). I could be completely wrong with my speculative reasoning but potential new hires need to be aware that the majors are not hiring our guys at the same rate as other regionals. That is not a rumor or speculation, that is fact. So just think hard before you jump ship at another regional to chase our quick upgrade time. Either way, that's just my 2cents and you won't hear another word from me on the subject, as winning over opinion on an anonymous internet board is like trying to herd cats. But I hope this does help someone make a smart life choice on what their end game plan is. Flame away.

You can't expect an airline with 1000 or less pilots to match the attrition of an airline with 4000 pilots. Another thing to consider is the difference in longevity between different pilot groups. XJT has tons of 7-8 year FOs for the majors to pick up while Mesa's pilot group is largely (but not entirely) newer to the 121 world and is still building time and experience.

#7860

NovemberBravo , 05-13-2015 05:29 PM

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Large amounts of the Captains I've flown with have an app out and thats it. No job fairs not regulary updating their application and around half don't have a 4 year degree.