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Old 10-18-2016 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mothergoose
Is Mesa buying Great Lakes? I don't feel like reading through all the bs on here to see if this topic has been discussed. Sounds like something Mesa would do.. i.e. Air Midwest, GO!, and so on
If you would have read through the pages, you would have found out that Great Lakes is buying Mesa and unfortunately, you are being stapled to the bottom of the seniority list.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldSealCFI
If you would have read through the pages, you would have found out that Great Lakes is buying Mesa and unfortunately, you are being stapled to the bottom of the seniority list.
Enjoy.
Cool, I always wanted to fly a 1900!
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Old 10-19-2016 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 20sx
I suggest you call AH and see what his plans are...you might be surprised.
I suggest you look at the big picture. Why does AH pick up open time? Why doesn't he want us to be more aggressive against the company? Is AH looking to leave Mesa ever?
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Old 10-19-2016 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nordo
Arbitration

noun
1.
the hearing and determining of a dispute or the settling of differences between parties by a person or persons chosen or agreed to by them:
Rather than risk a long strike, the union and management agreed to arbitration.

Mediation
noun
1.
action in mediating between parties, as to effect an agreement or reconciliation.

Not significantly different semantically but in our business it's different. It's not called the National Arbitration Board.

There you go. We arbitrate grievances and mediate contracts. Clear as mud?
A little late to the conversation, sorry.

The practical difference in mediation and arbitration is that arbitration is binding and mediation is not.

A judicial body can either encourage or order parties to either. Parties can also agree to either without court involvement or via prior contract. The outcome of mediation can be anything from the two parties compromising and moving forward in harmony to a continued stalemate.

Arbitration on the other hand has an end in sight. If the two parties decide to stay at loggerheads then the arbiter makes the final and binding decision. The arbiter has the ultimate authority in the dispute AND in the resolution. The downside of arbitration is that neither side walks away happy.

Mediation serves no purpose if one party is acting with ill-intent. The party who benefits from delaying the process or not finding a solution prefers mediation without resolution for the simple fact they know they can drag the process on.

For mediation to work both sides need to be seeking what is equitable not only for themselves but for the other side. If one side is convinced the other side is not negotiating in good faith, then the process is a waste of time. Mediation is effective only when both sides are negotiating in good faith AND a mutual agreement is beneficial to both parties.
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Old 10-19-2016 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WisJudge
A little late to the conversation, sorry.

The practical difference in mediation and arbitration is that arbitration is binding and mediation is not.

A judicial body can either encourage or order parties to either. Parties can also agree to either without court involvement or via prior contract. The outcome of mediation can be anything from the two parties compromising and moving forward in harmony to a continued stalemate.

Arbitration on the other hand has an end in sight. If the two parties decide to stay at loggerheads then the arbiter makes the final and binding decision. The arbiter has the ultimate authority in the dispute AND in the resolution. The downside of arbitration is that neither side walks away happy.

Mediation serves no purpose if one party is acting with ill-intent. The party who benefits from delaying the process or not finding a solution prefers mediation without resolution for the simple fact they know they can drag the process on.

For mediation to work both sides need to be seeking what is equitable not only for themselves but for the other side. If one side is convinced the other side is not negotiating in good faith, then the process is a waste of time. Mediation is effective only when both sides are negotiating in good faith AND a mutual agreement is beneficial to both parties.
So in other words, in Mesa's case, best to send out resume's and go elsewhere!
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Old 10-19-2016 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WisJudge
A little late to the conversation, sorry.

The practical difference in mediation and arbitration is that arbitration is binding and mediation is not.

A judicial body can either encourage or order parties to either. Parties can also agree to either without court involvement or via prior contract. The outcome of mediation can be anything from the two parties compromising and moving forward in harmony to a continued stalemate.

Arbitration on the other hand has an end in sight. If the two parties decide to stay at loggerheads then the arbiter makes the final and binding decision. The arbiter has the ultimate authority in the dispute AND in the resolution. The downside of arbitration is that neither side walks away happy.

Mediation serves no purpose if one party is acting with ill-intent. The party who benefits from delaying the process or not finding a solution prefers mediation without resolution for the simple fact they know they can drag the process on.

For mediation to work both sides need to be seeking what is equitable not only for themselves but for the other side. If one side is convinced the other side is not negotiating in good faith, then the process is a waste of time. Mediation is effective only when both sides are negotiating in good faith AND a mutual agreement is beneficial to both parties.
Thanks! A really good explanation by one of the thousands of folks here waaaay smarter than me
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Old 10-19-2016 | 01:25 PM
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WisJudge, you ready to head up our Negotiating Committee yet?
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Old 10-19-2016 | 02:31 PM
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How's that sickout shapping? Show JO you guys are serious!
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Old 10-19-2016 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MesaMentor
How's that sickout shapping? Show JO you guys are serious!
Sickout?? All it takes is a job fair in DFW, half the pilot group calls in sick. Hahaha
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Old 10-19-2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Sickout?? All it takes is a job fair in DFW, half the pilot group calls in sick. Hahaha
Welp, there's no job fair scheduled in DFW so I'll re-pose my question.

How's it looking? Buddy of mine said it had 400+ names.
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