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Old 07-09-2017 | 09:28 AM
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Old 07-09-2017 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Big deal? How about paying Mesa's legal fee's? No thankyou!
How about not,that's your choice. Not a criminal offense to not pay your bills. Of course the final judgment will include all those fees. Your choice at that point to do what you want. millions of Americans choose not to pay their bills. Their is no debtors prison in this country. we had people skip on 500k loans all the time, that's part of the game and it's priced into the system. Do what what you want but the choice is yours. I'm not here saying to skip out on your contract, just saying you have options and a judgement isn't as scary as you think. In my opinion that judgment they issue isn't worth more the a roll of toilet paper to wipe your a$$. Now if they try to garnish your wages after that then you need to start negotiating. However outside of AZ I don't think it would be easy to garnish. never seen in my decade of banking us going after wages once a judgement was placed. Even if they were successful in garnishing I'm sure you could get that discharged through bankrupcy.

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Old 07-09-2017 | 12:20 PM
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I saw that on Instagram the other day. Is that in addition to the 48 E-175's currently flown by Mesa?
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Old 07-09-2017 | 04:03 PM
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When does you guys' vote close?
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Old 07-09-2017 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Skittles9E
When does you guys' vote close?
The 12 of July
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Old 07-10-2017 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
No way that TA is worth 85 million. Calling Alpa bs.


Andy Hs lies to all of you

No dues for H
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Old 07-10-2017 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
Yes.

And it is part of the reason people are leaving Mesa rather than upgrade.

An FO can go to another airline as an FO, even another regional, and make double the money (or more) than they make at Mesa. In most instances they will make more as a first year FO than they will make as a Mesa Capt. So it doesn't make sense to sign the training contract.

Word is out that Mesa is enforcing the training contract. So, FO's are just leaving rather than upgrade.
FYI - a lot of my class has left Mesa since last year. Going to other regionals/135/etc. Some received a phone call/email regarding the required training expense that was shifted to the employee and others nothing. Those contacted either didn't respond or expressed their desire to have Mesa eat the cost. I'm speaking a little above my pay grade but getting a financially broke FO to pay back $17k is a waste of time. Also- google the case of the city of Los Angeles and the training expenses/contract for LAPD officers. Pilots are specifically mentioned as an example. You come to your own conclusion. I'm not a lawyer and not saying Mesa's contract is illegal but it does shed light on what may be a very marginal agreement. In total...I wouldn't let the possibly illegal letter stop me from getting out of a demoralizing work environment/company that will probably always lag the industry and is not respected by the major airlines I wanted to work for in the future. Don't be afraid to leave. Move on... it's easy in today's regional industry.... that will change and you could be stuck there.
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Old 07-10-2017 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Inop2
FYI - a lot of my class has left Mesa since last year. Going to other regionals/135/etc. Some received a phone call/email regarding the required training expense that was shifted to the employee and others nothing. Those contacted either didn't respond or expressed their desire to have Mesa eat the cost. I'm speaking a little above my pay grade but getting a financially broke FO to pay back $17k is a waste of time. Also- google the case of the city of Los Angeles and the training expenses/contract for LAPD officers. Pilots are specifically mentioned as an example. You come to your own conclusion. I'm not a lawyer and not saying Mesa's contract is illegal but it does shed light on what may be a very marginal agreement. In total...I wouldn't let the possibly illegal letter stop me from getting out of a demoralizing work environment/company that will probably always lag the industry and is not respected by the major airlines I wanted to work for in the future. Don't be afraid to leave. Move on... it's easy in today's regional industry.... that will change and you could be stuck there.
Agree, I'll say it again a judgement isn't worth more then the paper it was printed on. Wipe your a$$ with it because it nothing more then toilet paper.
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Old 07-10-2017 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Inop2
FYIIn total...I wouldn't let the possibly illegal letter stop me from getting out of a demoralizing work environment/company that will probably always lag the industry and is not respected by the major airlines I wanted to work for in the future. Don't be afraid to leave. Move on... it's easy in today's regional industry.... that will change and you could be stuck there.
No one at the majors cares which regional you came from, pick your poison, they all suck.

To say one regional vs another is shunned just isn't true. Most legacy pilots don't even pay attention to whats happening/who's paying the best/who's in bankrupty etc etc at the regional level.
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Old 07-10-2017 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 175drvr
No one at the majors cares which regional you came from, pick your poison, they all suck.

To say one regional vs another is shunned just isn't true. Most legacy pilots don't even pay attention to whats happening/who's paying the best/who's in bankrupty etc etc at the regional level.
Saying all regionals suck is just not true and not my experience at all. One example is commuting. At Mesa, commuting to work was uncertain. Working for a wholly owned AA regional I'm on the same level as a 777 Capt. I see Mesa guys sitting at the gate but I'm getting on. I could list several other examples. Some small differences and some significant. You want to compare health insurance benefits? Let the numbers speak for themselves. My wife just flew ATL to LAX... First Class. Happens fairly often. AAG gave every employee 2 positive space tickets anywhere in the world they fly as a token of appreciation for the ATW award. I'm saying all this to give you a few examples that your comment is just not true. You deserve better than anything JO will cobble together. Moving on is not right for everyone but an excellent choice for many.
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