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#5551
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The letter by the COO was rather amusing, throwing the training department under the bus.
But hey look .. we've got 275 pilots in training! We just don't know where any of them are .. witness the recent survey required of those in training, or thought to be.
They literally lost track of everyone who is here and in the pipeline somehow.
But hey look .. we've got 275 pilots in training! We just don't know where any of them are .. witness the recent survey required of those in training, or thought to be.
They literally lost track of everyone who is here and in the pipeline somehow.
Results are what matters. The training department, particularly on the Ejet side, is a fail. He acknowledged that fact. So what?
If Mesa pays instructors properly, looks for good instructors we can retain, thinks about instructor QOL, shortens the new hire Ejet training footprint back to something reasonable (say 5’to 6 months), he will earn my respect.
The problem is we have 6 Ejets sitting, an unhappy partner, and a competitor moving into IAH. Despite everything I hear from the union and management, I cannot believe we are “meeting” the contract with 6 Ejets sitting during Spring Break unless Mesa has a side agreement to give these 6 Ejets back to United.
It would take an idiot to jump ship from Mesa to Republic if they are already on the line. A 5+ year upgrade in IAH; what a joke. And, unless a new hire was in SIMs or IOE already, they must be desperate to stay. But, the pool of pilots considering Mesa, unless they are desperate or live in IAH or ATL, just got a lot smaller.
#5552
I was okay with the email. Words are cheap and are intended for an audience. Who knows who the audience is? JO? United?
Results are what matters. The training department, particularly on the Ejet side, is a fail. He acknowledged that fact. So what?
If Mesa pays instructors properly, looks for good instructors we can retain, thinks about instructor QOL, shortens the new hire Ejet training footprint back to something reasonable (say 5’to 6 months), he will earn my respect.
The problem is we have 6 Ejets sitting, an unhappy partner, and a competitor moving into IAH. Despite everything I hear from the union and management, I cannot believe we are “meeting” the contract with 6 Ejets sitting during Spring Break unless Mesa has a side agreement to give these 6 Ejets back to United.
It would take an idiot to jump ship from Mesa to Republic if they are already on the line. A 5+ year upgrade in IAH; what a joke. And, unless a new hire was in SIMs or IOE already, they must be desperate to stay. But, the pool of pilots considering Mesa, unless they are desperate or live in IAH or ATL, just got a lot smaller.
Results are what matters. The training department, particularly on the Ejet side, is a fail. He acknowledged that fact. So what?
If Mesa pays instructors properly, looks for good instructors we can retain, thinks about instructor QOL, shortens the new hire Ejet training footprint back to something reasonable (say 5’to 6 months), he will earn my respect.
The problem is we have 6 Ejets sitting, an unhappy partner, and a competitor moving into IAH. Despite everything I hear from the union and management, I cannot believe we are “meeting” the contract with 6 Ejets sitting during Spring Break unless Mesa has a side agreement to give these 6 Ejets back to United.
It would take an idiot to jump ship from Mesa to Republic if they are already on the line. A 5+ year upgrade in IAH; what a joke. And, unless a new hire was in SIMs or IOE already, they must be desperate to stay. But, the pool of pilots considering Mesa, unless they are desperate or live in IAH or ATL, just got a lot smaller.
#5553
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Assuming we lose CA’s as we have been, it should shorten fairly quickly. All a pilot here needs to do is monitor the upgrades, get their 1,000 hours right seat, and go to the left seat at Envoy in LGA if Mesa has trouble. The market is too good to not stay put until you can make a move to a different regional where it is to your advantage. And, when Envoy stops hiring street CA’s, there will be someone else to take their place....
#5555
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From: Couch FO
The current captains are more junior than 24 months. I am pointing to the March award and its timeframe for upgrades.
In a few months, what FO is really going to care if a junior CA was awarded at 23 or 24 months, if the upgrades disappear or slow down significantly?
The rumors out there of losing ships are killing morale. FO’s are looking to jump ship to Republic for IAH - even though Republic’s upgrades in IAH are 5+ years. The 5+ years made the decision for me and I am not even considering Republic any longer. I will sink or swim here until I have my 1,000 121 time.
In a few months, what FO is really going to care if a junior CA was awarded at 23 or 24 months, if the upgrades disappear or slow down significantly?
The rumors out there of losing ships are killing morale. FO’s are looking to jump ship to Republic for IAH - even though Republic’s upgrades in IAH are 5+ years. The 5+ years made the decision for me and I am not even considering Republic any longer. I will sink or swim here until I have my 1,000 121 time.
So upgrade fluctuates
just depends on who is coming out of the woodwork and are having an epiphany of capt itis lol
#5556
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We have lost a net 16 FO’s in IAH. Mostly out of 2017 new hire classes and probably those in training that got fed up. The CA’s stayed even from last month to this month. The only time since the new TA passed that we have lost net pilots on the Ejet program.
#5557
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From: Captain
United Management and Pilot group just positioning for upcoming pilot contract talks in May I think. Follow their thread on subject in United forum, they’d like to fly E2’s. I’m sure United mgmt would love for Express to fly these at our regional pilot wages.
Now United looking at CSeries & E2
Sat next to a 30yr United Captain last week on employee bus, he said they were trying to add the 175’s to their pilot contract as we drove by the six parked ones by our maintenance hangar. Not sure how much in the know he was.
Now United looking at CSeries & E2
Sat next to a 30yr United Captain last week on employee bus, he said they were trying to add the 175’s to their pilot contract as we drove by the six parked ones by our maintenance hangar. Not sure how much in the know he was.
Facts
E2s and all UAL own 175s back at mainline is UALALPAs goal
Blended rate proposed to get them on the property
Time will tell
#5559
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Agreed, the Training Department is in complete shambles, and the letter from the COO confirms it...but says nothing about how it will be fixed with anything tangible or specific. Cute, buzz-words from MBA School won't fix the deep-rooted, festering problems and self-inflicted wounds. Much like an alcoholic initially won't admit they have a problem, Mesa continues the same, arrogance-based, pilot-hating, blame-everybody-else approach.
By way of example, the Training Department (E-Jet):
* Has had to send three (3) emails to pilots in the Pipeline to ascertain where/when they were in the pipeline, despite the record-keeping requirements an FAA-mandated obligation of Mesa;
* Has not/never supplied a Training Syllabus or Footprint to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, even though many have asked repeatedly, and even though this is another FAA-mandated requirement of a Part 121 Training Department;
* Has not/never supplied Completion Standards (similar to the PTS/ACS) to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, but evaluating them on a moving-target of inconsistent and haphazardly-applied opinions, which vary by Instructor, in clear violation of any FAA Training-based Regulations;
* Routinely schedules training sessions, class time, etc. spanning 6-8 hours but curtails it at the 2-3 hour mark, which fails to supply adequate instruction but fails to meet any standards of time-protocol;
* Haphazardly schedules events out-of-sequence, this forcing pilots in the Pipeline to: a) take 2-3 oral exams because of the 60-day rule; b) conduct "observations" before ground, FPT training is completed; and, c) leaves already-completed ground-FPT-trained pilots hanging for weeks/months at a time with no schedule, no study protocol, and no program to keep them "current" with knowledge. You don't simply tell "go home and study, and wait for the email";
* Five (5) to seven (7) months from DOH to IOE is egregious and has no comparison in the industry - The delay causes these pilots serious financial problems as they struggle to live in Phoenix AND support their family back home on the guaranteed, but minimum wage, and without the end-of-IOE-bonus [which is now being used to simply pay off their credit cards racked up while in training]. It's fraud, pure-and-simple;
* Routinely refuses to answer emails about scheduling, scheduling events, and SIM time, thus forcing pilots in the pipeline to just hang around Phoenix - come on, Mesa knows the SIM time it's purchased well in-advance, so communicate;
* Uses Instructors who have never flown the E-Jet and, in fact, haven't flown anything in decades ~ yes, they are nice guys and book-smart, but supply no insight into practical reality;
* There is no standardization among Instructors;
In short, the E-Jet Training Program is a complete fail and possibly illegal under FAR 121. Sooner than later, United will comprehend Mesa cannot honor their flying commitment and it was because of Mesa's own negligence, lack-of-planning, and arrogance. The FAA will learn Mesa simply can't train pilots in accord with the Regulations. The competition sharks have already smelled blood in the water...
...we all know how this story ends.
By way of example, the Training Department (E-Jet):
* Has had to send three (3) emails to pilots in the Pipeline to ascertain where/when they were in the pipeline, despite the record-keeping requirements an FAA-mandated obligation of Mesa;
* Has not/never supplied a Training Syllabus or Footprint to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, even though many have asked repeatedly, and even though this is another FAA-mandated requirement of a Part 121 Training Department;
* Has not/never supplied Completion Standards (similar to the PTS/ACS) to any of the pilots within the Pipeline, but evaluating them on a moving-target of inconsistent and haphazardly-applied opinions, which vary by Instructor, in clear violation of any FAA Training-based Regulations;
* Routinely schedules training sessions, class time, etc. spanning 6-8 hours but curtails it at the 2-3 hour mark, which fails to supply adequate instruction but fails to meet any standards of time-protocol;
* Haphazardly schedules events out-of-sequence, this forcing pilots in the Pipeline to: a) take 2-3 oral exams because of the 60-day rule; b) conduct "observations" before ground, FPT training is completed; and, c) leaves already-completed ground-FPT-trained pilots hanging for weeks/months at a time with no schedule, no study protocol, and no program to keep them "current" with knowledge. You don't simply tell "go home and study, and wait for the email";
* Five (5) to seven (7) months from DOH to IOE is egregious and has no comparison in the industry - The delay causes these pilots serious financial problems as they struggle to live in Phoenix AND support their family back home on the guaranteed, but minimum wage, and without the end-of-IOE-bonus [which is now being used to simply pay off their credit cards racked up while in training]. It's fraud, pure-and-simple;
* Routinely refuses to answer emails about scheduling, scheduling events, and SIM time, thus forcing pilots in the pipeline to just hang around Phoenix - come on, Mesa knows the SIM time it's purchased well in-advance, so communicate;
* Uses Instructors who have never flown the E-Jet and, in fact, haven't flown anything in decades ~ yes, they are nice guys and book-smart, but supply no insight into practical reality;
* There is no standardization among Instructors;
In short, the E-Jet Training Program is a complete fail and possibly illegal under FAR 121. Sooner than later, United will comprehend Mesa cannot honor their flying commitment and it was because of Mesa's own negligence, lack-of-planning, and arrogance. The FAA will learn Mesa simply can't train pilots in accord with the Regulations. The competition sharks have already smelled blood in the water...
...we all know how this story ends.
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