Regionals taking non-current military pilots?
#11
Lots of regionals will hire you, ASAP. If you want, you can do nothing to prepare, and just do your normal AF studying and training will be no problem. Today's regionals are used to VERY low experienced pilots, who need lots more training than even two years ago.
If you want to prepare ahead, I recommend getting a PC sim, and flying that at home and/or doing sim training at your local FBO with an instructor...that probably helped me the most when I came back. They have REALLY GREAT software now for PC sim training...
Note: Recently read about a guy out of flying for 20 years...came back with no prep and had no problems...
If you want to prepare ahead, I recommend getting a PC sim, and flying that at home and/or doing sim training at your local FBO with an instructor...that probably helped me the most when I came back. They have REALLY GREAT software now for PC sim training...
Note: Recently read about a guy out of flying for 20 years...came back with no prep and had no problems...
#12
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
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Regarding the two other type ratings:
I received the B737 type rating concurrently while I got the ATP. The B727 type rating got added on when I got the B707 type because the two are essentially the same aircraft apparently. So technically I only have time in type for the B707, but I figured the B737 type rating also showed motivation and ability to learn big airplanes even though I have no time in it.
Also, I didn't become an IP in the tanker since I went RPAs, but should I try to become and IP in the RPA? Would the airlines care at all about that? It seems like they don't care at all about RPA time so I figure they won't care about IP time in it either.
I won't be able to go back to the tanker prior to getting out of the AF either. By time I'm projected to go back, and finish requal training, and actually get to my next base, I'd be adding AT LEAST 1.5 years to my ADSC. I'd rather just spend that time at a regional getting part 121 experience and being a free human being.
I received the B737 type rating concurrently while I got the ATP. The B727 type rating got added on when I got the B707 type because the two are essentially the same aircraft apparently. So technically I only have time in type for the B707, but I figured the B737 type rating also showed motivation and ability to learn big airplanes even though I have no time in it.
Also, I didn't become an IP in the tanker since I went RPAs, but should I try to become and IP in the RPA? Would the airlines care at all about that? It seems like they don't care at all about RPA time so I figure they won't care about IP time in it either.
I won't be able to go back to the tanker prior to getting out of the AF either. By time I'm projected to go back, and finish requal training, and actually get to my next base, I'd be adding AT LEAST 1.5 years to my ADSC. I'd rather just spend that time at a regional getting part 121 experience and being a free human being.
Again... not trying to be that guy
#13
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AFTrainer - trying to tell an airline guy that the 727 type is the same as the 707 might be a good way to not get hired. If it's just an accidental typo here's it's no big deal.
If it's on a license it should be fixed.
To the OP - you have your CFI? Military conversion? You can fly on the side and currency would be a non-issue. If anything it could show a dedicated effort to stay flying. I know a guy, non military current, who went from the Pentagon in a non flying slot and had interview offers from DL, UA, and SW. How? Being a MEL CFI in his time off might have paid HUGE dividends. Instead of maybe having to spend 6-12 months at a regional he retired on Friday(?) and went to new hire training on Monday. That additional 6-12 months at the end of his career will be worth $250-500K+ (direct salary plus retirement principal growth minus regional FO pay). So is flying as a CFI in you limited time off worth $75/hr? Maybe, maybe not. If it gets you hired 6-12 months sooner at a major? For $250-500K? Most guys would put the effort in for that much money.
If it's on a license it should be fixed.
To the OP - you have your CFI? Military conversion? You can fly on the side and currency would be a non-issue. If anything it could show a dedicated effort to stay flying. I know a guy, non military current, who went from the Pentagon in a non flying slot and had interview offers from DL, UA, and SW. How? Being a MEL CFI in his time off might have paid HUGE dividends. Instead of maybe having to spend 6-12 months at a regional he retired on Friday(?) and went to new hire training on Monday. That additional 6-12 months at the end of his career will be worth $250-500K+ (direct salary plus retirement principal growth minus regional FO pay). So is flying as a CFI in you limited time off worth $75/hr? Maybe, maybe not. If it gets you hired 6-12 months sooner at a major? For $250-500K? Most guys would put the effort in for that much money.
#14
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
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I have definitely explored the palace chase/palace front option. However, I'm leaning against it for several reasons. I really want to cut ties completely with the Air Force. I want to serve out my time, honorably separate, and never have to think about the military again. I cherish my time in the military and all the amazing friends I've made, but I've given all I can give and I'm ready to move on to the next chapter, even if it means making slightly less money due to having to pay for health insurance, etc. Also, I don't want to have to commute to my Guard job while flying for the airlines. I'd rather just focus my time and effort on being the best pilot in whatever aircraft I'm flying for the regionals. Also, I've heard it makes airlines more comfortable if they know you're never going to drop mil leave on them. I understand it's illegal for them to not hire you for being in the Guard, but that doesn't mean they won't find another excuse to not hire you if they're on the fence, right?
#15
You won’t have trouble getting hired. The advice given here is all to help you do well in the training.
I have definitely explored the palace chase/palace front option. However, I'm leaning against it for several reasons. I really want to cut ties completely with the Air Force. I want to serve out my time, honorably separate, and never have to think about the military again. I cherish my time in the military and all the amazing friends I've made, but I've given all I can give and I'm ready to move on to the next chapter, even if it means making slightly less money due to having to pay for health insurance, etc. Also, I don't want to have to commute to my Guard job while flying for the airlines. I'd rather just focus my time and effort on being the best pilot in whatever aircraft I'm flying for the regionals. Also, I've heard it makes airlines more comfortable if they know you're never going to drop mil leave on them. I understand it's illegal for them to not hire you for being in the Guard, but that doesn't mean they won't find another excuse to not hire you if they're on the fence, right?
#16
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
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AFTrainer - trying to tell an airline guy that the 727 type is the same as the 707 might be a good way to not get hired. If it's just an accidental typo here's it's no big deal.
If it's on a license it should be fixed.
To the OP - you have your CFI? Military conversion? You can fly on the side and currency would be a non-issue. If anything it could show a dedicated effort to stay flying. I know a guy, non military current, who went from the Pentagon in a non flying slot and had interview offers from DL, UA, and SW. How? Being a MEL CFI in his time off might have paid HUGE dividends. Instead of maybe having to spend 6-12 months at a regional he retired on Friday(?) and went to new hire training on Monday. That additional 6-12 months at the end of his career will be worth $250-500K+ (direct salary plus retirement principal growth minus regional FO pay). So is flying as a CFI in you limited time off worth $75/hr? Maybe, maybe not. If it gets you hired 6-12 months sooner at a major? For $250-500K? Most guys would put the effort in for that much money.
If it's on a license it should be fixed.
To the OP - you have your CFI? Military conversion? You can fly on the side and currency would be a non-issue. If anything it could show a dedicated effort to stay flying. I know a guy, non military current, who went from the Pentagon in a non flying slot and had interview offers from DL, UA, and SW. How? Being a MEL CFI in his time off might have paid HUGE dividends. Instead of maybe having to spend 6-12 months at a regional he retired on Friday(?) and went to new hire training on Monday. That additional 6-12 months at the end of his career will be worth $250-500K+ (direct salary plus retirement principal growth minus regional FO pay). So is flying as a CFI in you limited time off worth $75/hr? Maybe, maybe not. If it gets you hired 6-12 months sooner at a major? For $250-500K? Most guys would put the effort in for that much money.
#17
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
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Hey guys, sorry I meant B-720, and that is what’s on my license, so all is good there. Just a typo.
I recently purchased two popular books to study up and refresh. They are “Everything Explained” and “Turbine Pilots Flight Manual”
Based on everyone’s input, it seems like it will be easy to get hired, but I still plan to show up prepared and refreshed. I’ll be taking a refresher course and doing some flying club stuff, I’m also going to reconsider the Guard based on the input so far.
Guess the next question is which regional to focus on. I suppose a lot can change in 2 years though.
I recently purchased two popular books to study up and refresh. They are “Everything Explained” and “Turbine Pilots Flight Manual”
Based on everyone’s input, it seems like it will be easy to get hired, but I still plan to show up prepared and refreshed. I’ll be taking a refresher course and doing some flying club stuff, I’m also going to reconsider the Guard based on the input so far.
Guess the next question is which regional to focus on. I suppose a lot can change in 2 years though.
#18
If you have the same type from your FSDO that most tanker folks get, then you have a 720 one along with your 707, not a 727.
The 720 was a hit with a few foreign carriers but not really seen in the US. Has been issued with the 707 as a common type for eons.
IMHO, of course.
The 720 was a hit with a few foreign carriers but not really seen in the US. Has been issued with the 707 as a common type for eons.
IMHO, of course.
#19
The B720 was given that model number for marketing reasons, so it would appear to be a brand new design, although being just a lighter short-range version of the original 707-120. Boeing later replaced it with the 727.
#20
I think you’re right that airlines don’t care about RPA time, necessarily (not sure), but if you can get IP-qualified in RPAs without extending your ADSC it would be worthwhile. Anything that shows progression and initiative in whatever you’re doing will help separate you from others.
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