Competitive time
02-18-2019, 04:37 AM
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Competitive time
What's competitive time for mil guys trying to get on at one of the big three, SW, FedEx, or UPS? I've seen stats on other threads with guys getting hired, but its mostly civilian dudes with 7000TT.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
02-18-2019, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by P8Driver
What's competitive time for mil guys trying to get on at one of the big three, SW, FedEx, or UPS? I've seen stats on other threads with guys getting hired, but its mostly civilian dudes with 7000TT.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
It certainly wouldn’t HURT to put out apps, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you needed a year at a regionals actually get the call with those six.
Question: do you have an ATP and an FAA type-rating for the 737?
14 CFR § 61.73 - Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.
An aircraft type rating may only be issued for a type of aircraft that has a comparable civilian type designation by the Administrator. (2) Has passed an official U.S. military pilot check and instrument proficiency check in that type of aircraft.
02-18-2019, 07:47 AM
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Right now for the big six my best guess would be these are the mins to possibly get called...
Fighters about 2K (almost all of which is TPIC).
Mobility 4-5K (1K+ TPIC).
MPRA is more tactical than mobility, so I'd guess somewhere in the middle, 3-4K?
I'd apply everywhere you want to be, hope for the best but plan for the regionals.
Second tier/LCC is also an option, better life and pay out of the gate, and if you get stuck it's still better than a real job in the long run. Downside is upgrade would take longer than at a regional... fast upgrade at a regional (if you're still there for some reason) will put the 121 TPIC icing on your resume cake.
Fighters about 2K (almost all of which is TPIC).
Mobility 4-5K (1K+ TPIC).
MPRA is more tactical than mobility, so I'd guess somewhere in the middle, 3-4K?
I'd apply everywhere you want to be, hope for the best but plan for the regionals.
Second tier/LCC is also an option, better life and pay out of the gate, and if you get stuck it's still better than a real job in the long run. Downside is upgrade would take longer than at a regional... fast upgrade at a regional (if you're still there for some reason) will put the 121 TPIC icing on your resume cake.
02-18-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by P8Driver
What's competitive time for mil guys trying to get on at one of the big three, SW, FedEx, or UPS? I've seen stats on other threads with guys getting hired, but its mostly civilian dudes with 7000TT.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
Is ~1800TT (all turbine, most in P8) with ~800TPIC majority in a P8 competitive? Most FRS guys end up around this time at the end of their tours. I've also heard that the quality of time will help out since the TT is low.
Appreciate the responses.
02-18-2019, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
It’s a little low, but the times, as the man says, they are a changing, so who knows.
It certainly wouldn’t HURT to put out apps, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you needed a year at a regionals actually get the call with those six.
Question: do you have an ATP and an FAA type-rating for the 737?
14 CFR § 61.73 - Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.
An aircraft type rating may only be issued for a type of aircraft that has a comparable civilian type designation by the Administrator. (2) Has passed an official U.S. military pilot check and instrument proficiency check in that type of aircraft.
It certainly wouldn’t HURT to put out apps, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you needed a year at a regionals actually get the call with those six.
Question: do you have an ATP and an FAA type-rating for the 737?
14 CFR § 61.73 - Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.
An aircraft type rating may only be issued for a type of aircraft that has a comparable civilian type designation by the Administrator. (2) Has passed an official U.S. military pilot check and instrument proficiency check in that type of aircraft.
02-18-2019, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by yardstick
What billets are you looking at for follow on orders out of VP30? Or will you be able to resign/retire directly from -30?
02-18-2019, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by P8Driver
I'm planning on using my GI bill for the ATP this year. Guys haven't been able to get typed as far as I know. I haven't tried, but have been told it gets denied by the FAA from other guys that have. I'm not sure the exact reason because it seems like it should be pretty straightforward based on the aircraft.
T-43 guys and C-40 guys get them. It may just be an oversight since it is a relatively new aircraft.
https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/
For that matter, P-3 guys get them, for what that’s worth.
Sounds like you ought to have everyone in the squadron (and all the other P-8 squadrons) writing their congressman and writing letters to the FAA to update the list.
Call up the USAF KC-46 squadrons and get them to do the same since they aren’t on the current list either. Get a few dozen congressionals cooking from a dozen different states and it’s easier for the FAA to just fix the oversight than to hum a-da-humma-da all those congressmen.
A civilian type rating is a serious positive when the computer’s scoring apps for interviews, especially if it’s in an aircraft that airline flys.
02-18-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
T-43 guys and C-40 guys get them. It may just be an oversight since it is a relatively new aircraft.
https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/
For that matter, P-3 guys get them, for what that’s worth.
Sounds like you ought to have everyone in the squadron (and all the other P-8 squadrons) writing their congressman and writing letters to the FAA to update the list.
Call up the USAF KC-46 squadrons and get them to do the same since they aren’t on the current list either. Get a few dozen congressionals cooking from a dozen different states and it’s easier for the FAA to just fix the oversight than to hum a-da-humma-da all those congressmen.
A civilian type rating is a serious positive when the computer’s scoring apps for interviews, especially if it’s in an aircraft that airline flys.
https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/
For that matter, P-3 guys get them, for what that’s worth.
Sounds like you ought to have everyone in the squadron (and all the other P-8 squadrons) writing their congressman and writing letters to the FAA to update the list.
Call up the USAF KC-46 squadrons and get them to do the same since they aren’t on the current list either. Get a few dozen congressionals cooking from a dozen different states and it’s easier for the FAA to just fix the oversight than to hum a-da-humma-da all those congressmen.
A civilian type rating is a serious positive when the computer’s scoring apps for interviews, especially if it’s in an aircraft that airline flys.
Also of note, the C-40B/C isn’t on the list either, but the C-40A is. Not sure if a fsdo would care about that detail or not. But yeah, I don’t see why a P-8 rating would not have a 737 type given by the FAA.
02-18-2019, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Right now for the big six my best guess would be these are the mins to possibly get called...
Fighters about 2K (almost all of which is TPIC).
Mobility 4-5K (1K+ TPIC).
MPRA is more tactical than mobility, so I'd guess somewhere in the middle, 3-4K?.
Fighters about 2K (almost all of which is TPIC).
Mobility 4-5K (1K+ TPIC).
MPRA is more tactical than mobility, so I'd guess somewhere in the middle, 3-4K?.
Good luck finding any current, non 20+ year, Navy or Marine Corps big Wing (P-8 or C-130) guy with 4-5k hours. 1600-2200 hrs is about all one could expect if getting out in the 8-12 years of service range. Can’t say I know anyone in the 07’-12’ peer group with much over 2000 hrs.
It’s not the Air Force. Hours aren’t as easy to come by. Guys leaving after a first tour are at around 1300 TT with 500 PIC. Then you have to go to the RAG, flight school (T-6, C-12, or T-44 so slightly less valuable), or manage a second tour to get the rest of those hours. Trying to break 1k PIC in the P-8/C-130 world is a real challenge these days (guys coming in post heavy Iraq and Afghanistan flying) for anyone looking to get out at the end of their original contract.
Maybe the regionals are in all our future...or it’s a good ploy by the Navy/Marine Corps to make us stay longer to get more hours. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take my chances on the outside.
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02-19-2019, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingHercs
Good luck finding any current, non 20+ year, Navy or Marine Corps big Wing (P-8 or C-130) guy with 4-5k hours. 1600-2200 hrs is about all one could expect if getting out in the 8-12 years of service range. Can’t say I know anyone in the 07’-12’ peer group with much over 2000 hrs.
It’s not the Air Force. Hours aren’t as easy to come by. Guys leaving after a first tour are at around 1300 TT with 500 PIC. Then you have to go to the RAG, flight school (T-6, C-12, or T-44 so slightly less valuable), or manage a second tour to get the rest of those hours. Trying to break 1k PIC in the P-8/C-130 world is a real challenge these days (guys coming in post heavy Iraq and Afghanistan flying) for anyone looking to get out at the end of their original contract.
Maybe the regionals are in all our future...or it’s a good ploy by the Navy/Marine Corps to make us stay longer to get more hours. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take my chances on the outside.
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It’s not the Air Force. Hours aren’t as easy to come by. Guys leaving after a first tour are at around 1300 TT with 500 PIC. Then you have to go to the RAG, flight school (T-6, C-12, or T-44 so slightly less valuable), or manage a second tour to get the rest of those hours. Trying to break 1k PIC in the P-8/C-130 world is a real challenge these days (guys coming in post heavy Iraq and Afghanistan flying) for anyone looking to get out at the end of their original contract.
Maybe the regionals are in all our future...or it’s a good ploy by the Navy/Marine Corps to make us stay longer to get more hours. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take my chances on the outside.
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