MoosePileit

Chris99, glad it worked out.
FLYFISH- that is not a change, IF you RETIRE from the AFRC, you will have to payback the VSP then, after 60, in increments per an earlier post like the old VSI/SSB after DS1. It's a great pre-taxed loan up front to get up and out on the streets. Unless there is a new attachment 11, but I checked AFPC and nothing new or shocking jumped out...

C-17 Driver

Hey Moose, like I told you in the squad, my Dad received a VSP back in 1979 and they haven't taken a dime from his reserve paycheck yet. (that's a big YET).

I can't remember, did they stipulate anything on your DD214?

MoosePileit

Yep, it's got it's own VSP comment. There is no payback, and if your pop got out in 79 I'm guessing there was NO clause back then in title 10 or 14 or whichever stipulates a payback. I know the VSI/SSB from post desert storm has a payback calulcator and I think that will apply to me- either way it's a great loan up front for many years! PM me or hit my af.mil afrc email- forgot yer avator/screenname vs. reality.

L'il J.Seinfeld

Theoretically you are correct. In the real world AFPC and its bureacracy will never get the paperwork correct to recoup the money. Just look at what is going on now with the VSP and bonus. The USAF is paying guys to leave early and yet paying a binus to those that stay!

My wife voluntarily left AD before her committment was up and was told that she would have to pay back her ROTC scholarship. We said OK and asked how much to write the check for. AFPC could never answer that question so we never paid a dime and that was 5 years ago. The same goes for when you exceed your maximum weight allowance on a government move. They say that you will be charged for the excess amount, but the TMO and JPPSO folks never pursue it. FWIW.

Chris99

Just got the money today. It only took them 18 days...

ficone

Hey guys - another VSPer in your midst.

Tricare bennies aside, is the consensus here that if you get a full-time guard job, you do _not_ have to pay the $$ back unless you end up retiring?

I've been keeping an eye on this thread and the post about the JAG's research is about as definitive as I've read.

Has anyone pressed to test on this one yet? There's a possible full-time slot in my future and just want to make sure

Blutarski

Any thoughts on joining the Reserves vs. taking the VSP money and getting out all together? I have an offer from DAL and a reserve unit. I've been on the fence about whether or not to go with the reserve job or just take the VSP and concentrate on the airlines. Any inputs would be appreciated.

C-17 Driver

Go with the reserve job. Two words: JOB SECURITY There is a huge number of reserve volunteer positions out there in case you get in pinch (furloughed, lose your pilot qual, etc.). These are reserve vancancies that you can volunteer for (this is outside of your squadron). Get a reserve job and keep it until you have enough to retire with. https://vrs.afrc.af.mil/

If you have a reserve job and an airline job from which you can commute easily to, then that is the best of both worlds. Between airline trips, you can go log a double TP and fly a local training mission. IT works out very nicely.

Good luck.

ficone

After some internet digging, here are some more good tidbits from the actual laws:

House Report 109-360 - NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2006 Sec. 1175a. Voluntary separation pay and benefits

• `(2) A member who is not entitled to retired or retainer pay upon separation shall be entitled to the benefits and services provided under--

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  • `(A) chapter 58 of this title during the 180-day period beginning on the date the member is separated (notwithstanding any termination date for such benefits and services otherwise applicable under the provisions of such chapter); and

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  • `(B) sections 404 and 406 of title 37.

Here's the referenced Chapter 58 of Title 10 (Title 37: 404 + 406 cover travel and transportation):

Subtitle A--General Military Law

PART II--PERSONNEL

CHAPTER 58--BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR MEMBERS BEING SEPARATED OR RECENTLY SEPARATED

Sec. 1145. Health benefits

(a) Transitional Health Care.--(1) For the time period described in paragraph (3), a member of the armed forces who is separated from active duty as described in paragraph (2) (and the dependents of the member) shall be entitled to receive--
(A) medical and dental care under section 1076 of this title in the same manner as a dependent described in subsection (a)(2) of such section; and
(B) health benefits contracted under the authority of section 1079(a) of this title and subject to the same rates and conditions as apply to persons covered under that section.

(3) Transitional health care for a member under subsection (a) shall
be available for 180 days beginning on the date on which the member is
separated from active duty.


I'm not a lawyer, but hopefully this will provide some additional ammunition to make sure we get what we are entitled to.

ficone

Hmm maybe I'm the only one reading this thread anymore but after writing a lengthy email to AFPC regarding the VSP Payback in the event you get an AGR position (not when/if you retire, but when you get in), here is their reply (FYI: I signed the original Attachment 11):

"The General Counsel has reviewed the applicable laws and determined
that a Guard AGR position does constitute active duty and would require
recoupment of VSP as detailed in Title 10 USC Section 1175a. GC has
also reviewed and approved the revised Atch 11. You have the right to
request withdrawal of your VSP separation based on the late publication
of this guidance. I cannot make a determination as to whether your
withdrawal would be approved, but if you are interested, please submit
your request via a memo through your MPF."


I also inquired about the TRICARE benefits (arguing the USC points from my last post) but the USAFR Maj did not address those in her reply.

Does this mean we are pretty much out of luck for AGR positions? FWIW, Title 32 specifically states that Active Duty does not include Full-time Guard.

Getting frustrated here. Is the General Counsel just ruling in favor of whatever will save the USAF from paying the VSP??