Military FW to Airlines
08-29-2019, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes. My caveat with the mil is that few have the opportunity to check that box, so do it when and if you can. If push comes to shove the regionals will always be there, at least in any plausible alternative reality.
My perspective is shaped by stagnant hiring and upgrades for both regionals and mainline that lasted for a decade or more, when it was a heck of a lot faster to qualify as an AC on just about any mil FW than to upgrade at a regional. When I went to navy FW I also went into the reserves but went on T10 because regionals were still barely hiring and the upgrade at some was 5+ years.
From what I understand, it's very different now, as others are saying. Maybe it is faster to log PIC now at a regional than on a C17. I've been out of this side of the game long enough that it wouldn't surprise me. With that said, the suck that existed ten years ago will probably be back soon enough, so keep your options open.
08-29-2019, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77
No, I'm not. And I'm not a guard or C17 pilot. But I've flown in two branches of the military, briefly for a regional and for a legacy the last few years, and my comments are based on my own FW mil time, my hiring experiences the last few years and that of my friends. I don't claim to know everything. What I'm trying to say is that if all other things are equal and he takes every single opportunity available, he'll probably be able to log PIC time faster on a mil heavy than at a regional airline. Again, this is how it worked out for me, but we can agree to disagree Blackhawk.
The truth may well be different when the OP finishes his military training.
09-01-2019, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Are you in an airline HR department and can verify that they view the C17 time as more valuable than CRJ-200 time? Granted, being military FW is a huge advantage. But much of the apps comes down to electronic scoring and once you get to an hour level I don't think the app cares if you have more C17 time verses CRJ time.
The more boxes you can fill in is normally better. If someone can fill in another type rating, combined military and 121... it starts adding up.
The more boxes you can fill in is normally better. If someone can fill in another type rating, combined military and 121... it starts adding up.
When evaluating flight hours, we consider several factors, including:
Complexity of aircraft flown
Nature and type of flight operations
Recency, quality, quantity, and verifiability of flight time and associated logs
Hours flown as PIC
Hours flown as instructor/evaluator
Complexity of aircraft flown
Nature and type of flight operations
Recency, quality, quantity, and verifiability of flight time and associated logs
Hours flown as PIC
Hours flown as instructor/evaluator
09-01-2019, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Probably pretty safe to say that something like a C-17 would be more valuable than a CRJ under those criteria.
09-14-2019, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tankaft
Hello all,
First post on this forum, so thanks in advance.
I recently landed a UPT spot with a heavy Air National Guard unit. I currently have around 150 hrs of time with a PPL and will continue to build that until I leave for training. I expect to gain another 250-300hrs total by the time I'm finished with UPT, follow on etc.
I'm currently 30 years old and attempting to plan out a timeline/pathway to the majors following military training completion and reaching the 750 mil-ATP. After all the post digging I've done here and other sites, I'm thinking the following timeline:
-2 Years for Mil UPT, aircraft specific and seasoning days at home unit- 750 hrs total for mil
-2 to 3 years at a Regional to build time and airline experience. Perhaps build another 2K hrs in this time frame.
-5 total years later from now and at the age of 35, perhaps land a job at a major.
Is this timeline unrealistic or doable? Any different pathways one would recommend after mil training, such as, attempt to land a full time mil job to build time?
Appreciate the insight!
First post on this forum, so thanks in advance.
I recently landed a UPT spot with a heavy Air National Guard unit. I currently have around 150 hrs of time with a PPL and will continue to build that until I leave for training. I expect to gain another 250-300hrs total by the time I'm finished with UPT, follow on etc.
I'm currently 30 years old and attempting to plan out a timeline/pathway to the majors following military training completion and reaching the 750 mil-ATP. After all the post digging I've done here and other sites, I'm thinking the following timeline:
-2 Years for Mil UPT, aircraft specific and seasoning days at home unit- 750 hrs total for mil
-2 to 3 years at a Regional to build time and airline experience. Perhaps build another 2K hrs in this time frame.
-5 total years later from now and at the age of 35, perhaps land a job at a major.
Is this timeline unrealistic or doable? Any different pathways one would recommend after mil training, such as, attempt to land a full time mil job to build time?
Appreciate the insight!
The article below provides some good info on military to airline career path.
https://tpn-go.com/ideal-military-pi...it-out-part-1/
Do you have the UPT dates yet?
09-15-2019, 04:15 PM
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I'm interested in the topic of this thread myself. I'm at about 800 civ hours with a commercial multi & CFI, in UPT now and will be done with seasoning around 2 years from now based on the schedule that my AFRC unit has come up with. LT's at my heavy unit are getting around 600 hrs per year as of right now. At some point I'll have to get a feel for whether it makes sense to bum/AGR it or to go TR and regional. My plan is to see what the AC upgrade timeline and AFRC budget is at when I get there and make the decision to gun hard for mil PIC or try and check the 121 box at a regional.
Seeing as this is all 2 years away, focusing on UPT is obviously the all-encompassing focus of my life. But since its the weekend and I need to stick my head up for air... What's the expert opinion on this plan?
Seeing as this is all 2 years away, focusing on UPT is obviously the all-encompassing focus of my life. But since its the weekend and I need to stick my head up for air... What's the expert opinion on this plan?
09-15-2019, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickanicus
I'm interested in the topic of this thread myself. I'm at about 800 civ hours with a commercial multi & CFI, in UPT now and will be done with seasoning around 2 years from now based on the schedule that my AFRC unit has come up with. LT's at my heavy unit are getting around 600 hrs per year as of right now. At some point I'll have to get a feel for whether it makes sense to bum/AGR it or to go TR and regional. My plan is to see what the AC upgrade timeline and AFRC budget is at when I get there and make the decision to gun hard for mil PIC or try and check the 121 box at a regional.
Seeing as this is all 2 years away, focusing on UPT is obviously the all-encompassing focus of my life. But since its the weekend and I need to stick my head up for air... What's the expert opinion on this plan?
Seeing as this is all 2 years away, focusing on UPT is obviously the all-encompassing focus of my life. But since its the weekend and I need to stick my head up for air... What's the expert opinion on this plan?
Then continue to evaluate. If it looks like a regional is the fastest way to TPIC and that is still the key for your end state airline then do that full time and Guard part time. If you go that route and the Guard opens up then drop orders at your regional and go Guard route.
Does that make sense? The truth now may well be different in two years.
09-16-2019, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
The keys to achieving your goal are in flux right now so don’t even try to make the decision now. Get through UPT. When you get to the point of seasoning start to reevaluate and probably start putting out apps.
Then continue to evaluate. If it looks like a regional is the fastest way to TPIC and that is still the key for your end state airline then do that full time and Guard part time. If you go that route and the Guard opens up then drop orders at your regional and go Guard route.
Does that make sense? The truth now may well be different in two years.
Then continue to evaluate. If it looks like a regional is the fastest way to TPIC and that is still the key for your end state airline then do that full time and Guard part time. If you go that route and the Guard opens up then drop orders at your regional and go Guard route.
Does that make sense? The truth now may well be different in two years.
But I'd probably at the very least lock in a regional job at the earliest opportunity... even if you spend most of your time on orders the 121 and type rating boxes will enhance your application score significantly. Plus you'll have a seniority number if you ever need it.
09-21-2019, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
What he said.
But I'd probably at the very least lock in a regional job at the earliest opportunity... even if you spend most of your time on orders the 121 and type rating boxes will enhance your application score significantly. Plus you'll have a seniority number if you ever need it.
But I'd probably at the very least lock in a regional job at the earliest opportunity... even if you spend most of your time on orders the 121 and type rating boxes will enhance your application score significantly. Plus you'll have a seniority number if you ever need it.
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