Military Competency to Flight Instructor
04-13-2010, 01:13 PM
#121
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: HOTAS...and a SWA gear lever
Posts: 369
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Bottom line: if you are a military IP, and you don't pony up the $50 for the Sheppard Air prep, and the $150 test fee to get the FAA instructor ratings you can, you are passing up a rare opportunity, and making a mistake.
Just took the test after studying with Sheppard Air software (missed one question...darn, there goes that DG). Will turn in paperwork to FAA later this week and be a CFII !!
I'm gonna help a F-4 WSO buddy of mine get his PPL. Anyone got a favorite for good pre-fab courseware/lesson plans? The Sporty's stuff looked decent, but still open to suggestions.
BTW: Join AOPA and save $10 on the CATS testing fee.
04-13-2010, 04:31 PM
#122
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Position: C-172, PA-34
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by rickair7777
There is no special requirement to do this, any school or instructor could teach you to be CFII. I suppose a few might hesitate if it's not something they have done before but in thr end I'm sure they would take your money.
The only caveat is that since it is unusual in some locations, some DPE's may not want to do it.
Not true. A non-CFI-airplane CFII could in give instrument instruction to a non-rated student. The CFII would just need to act as PIC of the flight.
Legally he could also give instruction in stalls or other primary maneuvers to a student pilot...the catch is that it is not logable towards aeronautical experience requirements so why bother doing it? Also probably not the safest thing to do if you are not trained adequately.
In fact a private pilot can give instruction, it just doesn't count for aeronautical experience...that's how I learned to fly a taildragger from an old guy who really knew what he was doing. Obviously you have to go to a rated CFI to get any required dual and endorsements but nothing says you can't learn from and practice with any pilot.
The only caveat is that since it is unusual in some locations, some DPE's may not want to do it.
Not true. A non-CFI-airplane CFII could in give instrument instruction to a non-rated student. The CFII would just need to act as PIC of the flight.
Legally he could also give instruction in stalls or other primary maneuvers to a student pilot...the catch is that it is not logable towards aeronautical experience requirements so why bother doing it? Also probably not the safest thing to do if you are not trained adequately.
In fact a private pilot can give instruction, it just doesn't count for aeronautical experience...that's how I learned to fly a taildragger from an old guy who really knew what he was doing. Obviously you have to go to a rated CFI to get any required dual and endorsements but nothing says you can't learn from and practice with any pilot.
Originally Posted by Nortonious
Agreed. Don't count on good deals to stick around forever (another take on "no good deed goes unpunished").
Just took the test after studying with Sheppard Air software (missed one question...darn, there goes that DG).
I'm gonna help a F-4 WSO buddy of mine get his PPL. Anyone got a favorite for good pre-fab courseware/lesson plans? The Sporty's stuff looked decent, but still open to suggestions.
BTW: Join AOPA and save $10 on the CATS testing fee.
Just took the test after studying with Sheppard Air software (missed one question...darn, there goes that DG).
Will turn in paperwork to FAA later this week and be a CFII !!
BTW: Join AOPA and save $10 on the CATS testing fee.
04-14-2010, 05:01 AM
#125
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 7ERA
Posts: 691
Originally Posted by Nortonious
Anyone got a favorite for good pre-fab courseware/lesson plans? The Sporty's stuff looked decent, but still open to suggestions.
BTW: Join AOPA and save $10 on the CATS testing fee.
BTW: Join AOPA and save $10 on the CATS testing fee.
04-14-2010, 05:49 AM
#126
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: UnemploymentJet
Posts: 314
Originally Posted by FightingFalconI
..... Also, can u go to the FSDO and get it for free? What FSDO does that.
04-14-2010, 07:11 AM
#127
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: HOTAS...and a SWA gear lever
Posts: 369
Originally Posted by nfnsquared
I think they mean the certificate for the instructor ratings allowed, not the additional rating for category/class of aircraft not flown as a mil instructor.
I'm here in SAT, and a bunch of IP's out at Randolph AFB have gone a slightly different route. A local DPE reviews the paperwork for a nominal fee ($40), issues the appropriate certificate on the spot, and gets all the paperwork where it needs to go.
Maybe the $40 is a waste of money for something I could handcarry myself, but I had heard some mixed reviews on some FSDO's being better/worse at the process. Guess I'm a lemming, but I'm just gonna cough up the $40 and go with the sure thing.
Thanks for lesson/syllabus inputs. I'm kinda leaning towards the asa "Complete Private Pilot" book & syllabus or the Sporty's products right now. Comments?
04-14-2010, 07:49 AM
#128
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
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Yeah, the FSDO will do it for free. Took about 15 minutes. Most of the time was taken up by entering data on his computer and us chatting about flying stuff.
I took:
1. Copy of my IP checkride form 8 (I actually took my entire FEF and just tabbed that form 8. He spent about 3 seconds looking at it).
2. My LaserGrade test result.
3. My retired mil ID
4. My existing FAA license (plastic)
5. The FAA form 8710-1 already filled out per instructions on sheppardair.com
6. Copy of flight records summary (3 pages).
I called ahead (as suggested by SheppardAir) and verified required documentation. The FSDO office in Fargo was totally up to speed, including that the 12-month recency requirement had been dropped. Personally, if I were in SAT, I wouldn't spend the $40.
I took:
1. Copy of my IP checkride form 8 (I actually took my entire FEF and just tabbed that form 8. He spent about 3 seconds looking at it).
2. My LaserGrade test result.
3. My retired mil ID
4. My existing FAA license (plastic)
5. The FAA form 8710-1 already filled out per instructions on sheppardair.com
6. Copy of flight records summary (3 pages).
I called ahead (as suggested by SheppardAir) and verified required documentation. The FSDO office in Fargo was totally up to speed, including that the 12-month recency requirement had been dropped. Personally, if I were in SAT, I wouldn't spend the $40.
04-14-2010, 08:17 AM
#129
Careful w/that axe Eugene
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: HOTAS...and a SWA gear lever
Posts: 369
FAA at your service!!!
Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Yeah, the FSDO will do it for free....Personally, if I were in SAT, I wouldn't spend the $40.
Our tax dollars at work...
04-14-2010, 08:48 AM
#130
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: UnemploymentJet
Posts: 314
Unfrickinbelievable! ***? All they do is type in info on their computer, print out a form and have you sign it.
Is this the DPE?
Charles McDougal, (210) 315-7771
He must be making a small fortune. For $40, that's about $160/hr. Heck, maybe I should look into that scam, er.... enterprise
Is this the DPE?
Charles McDougal, (210) 315-7771
He must be making a small fortune. For $40, that's about $160/hr. Heck, maybe I should look into that scam, er.... enterprise
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