Tweetdrvr

Get it now in case they change it and take this good deal away. If you are flying as an IP, you can renew just by taking your flight records/logbook to the FSDO. There is a paragraph in there allowing renewal based on responsibilities and duties. The FSDO in SAT and SDF renewed mine several times for nothing, until I messed up and missed my renewal month back in 07. Original CFI in Aug of 96, MEI in July of 03, memories faded, opened wallet, looked at certificate on 1 Aug and said the big Homer Simpson--Dooogh!!

FightingFalconI

I would recommend getting it. You never know where u will end up. I went to the FSDO at Dulles when the year was about up on my last F-16 check ride and added my Commercial Single Engine. I figured it would give me more points on an airline application. In fact i did max out the points on my airline apps. However, when I decided to open a Flight School, I was D**N glad to have done that. You never know. That was when there was a one year limit. You are right in that there is no time limit now. I don't think that will change. But, if you are near a FSDO that is familiar with the Military and will do it, DO IT! You may move somewhere the FSDO may not be so familiar with the MilComp and you may have to argue for exactly what ratings you get. Also, most FSDOs will not do it, you will have to go to a Designated Military Competancy Examiner and pay him some bucks to do it. Check out www.militarycompetancyinstructor.com for more info. I have done hundreds of 8710s for guys and I would recommend finding someone that knows how to fill it out for you. It shuld be simple but alot get kicked back. I don't have a dog in this hunt, just giving some advice.

FightingFalconI

[quote=Fourgoslot;780496]Actually, you can be an Instrument Instructor without be a CFI SEL or MEL. some schools do this. In that case, you can do Instrument Instruction but only with someone that is PIC in the airplane (unless you have appropriate category and class). I got my Initial CFI MEL, then took my Instrument Instructor In the Multi. So, I was a CFI MEL, and Instrument Instructor Airplane. So I could only give Instrument instruction in a single. Here's an example. suppose you are a T-1 IP, you can get your CFI MEL and Instrument Instructor Airplane. You could give instrument instruction to someone SEL.
Complicated but this is really a good deal.
PS: can you PM someone on this site?

USMCFLYR

FFI -

You'll need a few more quality posts as you have been doing and then you should get PM ability.

USMCFLYR

rickair7777

There is no special requirement to do this, any school or instructor could teach you to be CFII. I suppose a few might hesitate if it's not something they have done before but in thr end I'm sure they would take your money.

The only caveat is that since it is unusual in some locations, some DPE's may not want to do it.

Not true. A non-CFI-airplane CFII could in give instrument instruction to a non-rated student. The CFII would just need to act as PIC of the flight.

Legally he could also give instruction in stalls or other primary maneuvers to a student pilot...the catch is that it is not logable towards aeronautical experience requirements so why bother doing it? Also probably not the safest thing to do if you are not trained adequately.

In fact a private pilot can give instruction, it just doesn't count for aeronautical experience...that's how I learned to fly a taildragger from an old guy who really knew what he was doing. Obviously you have to go to a rated CFI to get any required dual and endorsements but nothing says you can't learn from and practice with any pilot.

FightingFalconI

I don't think someone who is not a CFI should even think about giving instruction. You may have gotten lucky with the guy who taught you to fly taildraggers. I have seen several students come to me with "instruction" that was not from a CFI and I have to spend additional time unlearning them their bad habits.

rickair7777

I'm talking legalities, not practicality. The previous poster said you "cannot" do it, which is not true. I agree that you probably "should not" do it in most cases.

In my case it was just fun flying with a family member who had decades of tail-dragging experience...after enough of that I figured I could go get an endorsement. I was prepared to redo the training if necessary, but it wasn't.

USMCFLYR

Just to change the thread slightly - but the comment about non-CFIs giving instruction has just sparked a note.

I recently found out that there is (was?) a program afoot in the USN/USMC/USCG Strike/Fighter pipeline to allow NFOs to INSTRUCT student aviators during the syllabus. Now talk about non-CFIs teaching people to fly! I had a former F-14 RIO fly with me on a few flights during my FRS training - but at least I was a winged aviator at the times.

If I had a say in this program, I couldn't not support this training.

Well...back to the thread. I might not be a certified driving instructor either - but I'll certainly be continuing to give my teenagers driving lessons until they finally enroll in Driver's Ed - even if it doesn't count for something. Experience is experience. Anyone who has taught in the military training commands has had to deal with students who have some flying experience. The good ones easily adapt to the new ways of flying in the military. Even if you have had to UNlearn some bad habits - I would hope that the overall increase in expereince should make for a more spongelike student

USMCFLYR

FightingFalconI

I was going to use the Auto Driving Instruction as a point to bolster my argument. In Europe you have to take driving instructors from an approved school to get a driving license.
Also, your NFO example is interesting. You were already rated and what were they instructing, piloting skills or tactical skills. Amature instruction is a plague of all fields, from Little League on up!

USMCFLYR

The RIO from the F-14 field that would fly in a RPs backseat instructed in phases that did not actually have to do with aircraft control - for instance on an All-Weather Intercept flight where a majority of the learning takes place on the radar - interpetation and tactics. Hey - I never said RIOs/WSOs weren't great at reading a radar screen! He might ride in the back during a pattern bombing hop or a CAS flight for instance. He could tell from experience how you were doing up front and how your SA was or if you were about to blow your timing out of the water. But he never tried to instruct on what do with the stick and throttles for example. That is one of the differences between having a program in place like that at the FRS (RAG) and down in the training command where 99% of the instruction is (should be) still stick and throttle.

As for driving in Europe - I lived in Sweden for a little while and my host brother was testing for his driver's license when I arrived. It is quite the experience over there getting a driving license! Due to the rules of the program I was over there with (Rotary Club), I was not allowed to drive, but after driving with him for a few weeks - I could easily tell that he was no better a driver than myself or any of my friends back home in the USA!


USMCFLYR