Military Competency to Flight Instructor
09-06-2009, 07:17 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
USMC:
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
Agree on the secret handshake deal and such - but a crack appears to be showing in the resolve. That is good news!
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09-07-2009, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
USMC:
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
09-07-2009, 08:00 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I've never heard that you could use your military flight physical to fly civilian planes. I mean I still had to get my 1st Class (@ $180) even though I had my Class 1 flight physical the month prior. Until recently a military flight surgeon couldn't give anything other than a 3rd Class (at least any that I have asked or encountered) FINALLY last week I found out that one of our Reserve Flight Surgeons is now qualified to give 1st Class medicals! FINALLY!
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Flight Surgeons can give 2nd class if they get the FAA course. There is usually at least one certified at each base because the military pays for it. I had a MCAS New River flight surgeon give me mine two days prior to my retirement (they don't call me Miser for nothing
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09-07-2009, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
EXCELLENT! I didn't know that - but then again I've not flown GA since being in the military.
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You really ought to fly through Georgia some time; it’s a beautiful state (though I hear we lose 1 to 2 Naval Aviators down there each year
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09-07-2009, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
USMC:
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
"Civilian Flying" on a miiltary medical = flying a General Aviation aircraft, not for hire.
So, you could use your mil medical = 3rd class to take the family someplace in a C-172.
The irony is, every military medical I've ever had was much more thorough than the civilian counterpart.
According to both a Navy and an Air Force Flight Doc I've spoken with on the subject, it is purely political. A secret-handshake between the Pentagon and FAA...."protecting" the job security of the MEs who do Class 1s and 2s.
Also be careful if it's a wink-wink kind of deal with a local FSDO...the FAA is often grossly inconsistent from one FSDO to another.
09-07-2009, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MiserDD
Flight Surgeons can give 2nd class if they get the FAA course. There is usually at least one certified at each base because the military pays for it. I had a MCAS New River flight surgeon give me mine two days prior to my retirement (they don't call me Miser for nothing).
).
Originally Posted by MiserDD
You really ought to fly through Georgia some time; it’s a beautiful state (though I hear we lose 1 to 2 Naval Aviators down there each year).
).What's up with you and Georgia lately?
USMCFLYR
Btw - things are slowing down IRT my plans so I might be able to wait until your return before I need your resources.
09-08-2009, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Why did you get a 2nd class vice a 1st class. Didn't the places you were looking at for employment require a 1st class?
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Btw - things are slowing down IRT my plans so I might be able to wait until your return before I need your resources.
USMCFLYR
Btw - things are slowing down IRT my plans so I might be able to wait until your return before I need your resources.
The contract aviation companies are part 91 and only require a 2nd class.
Speaking of which, I just heard yesterday that we are about to start hiring (about a hundred pilots). LORs a must.
09-08-2009, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Military flight surgeons can only give a 2nd class or lower.
This USE to be true. I have now learned that the local NOSC (the Reserves) has a CDR Flight Surgeon who can now issue 1st class medicals. This was the subject of my earlier comment of cracks showing in the old way of doing things.
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09-08-2009, 02:40 PM
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Commercial Flight and Class 2 Physical
Rickair7777:
Don't you need a Class 3 or 1 to fly commercially? I thought that was true, and a 3rd was only good for Part 91.
Well, I guess Part 91 flying for a Corporate gig might qual, but I've never crossed that bridge.
USMCFLYER is correct in that extremely few military flight docs have been authorized to give Class 1s. Maybe 4-5 total in each service.
At my base, the doc could give you a 3rd class (prior to the rule-change; he had some authorization), and the doc could authorize TriCare to get you a 2nd class, downtown (no flight doc in the area could give a first-class).
The new rule change means the flight doc can issue a 3rd on his own.
Don't you need a Class 3 or 1 to fly commercially? I thought that was true, and a 3rd was only good for Part 91.
Well, I guess Part 91 flying for a Corporate gig might qual, but I've never crossed that bridge.
USMCFLYER is correct in that extremely few military flight docs have been authorized to give Class 1s. Maybe 4-5 total in each service.
At my base, the doc could give you a 3rd class (prior to the rule-change; he had some authorization), and the doc could authorize TriCare to get you a 2nd class, downtown (no flight doc in the area could give a first-class).
The new rule change means the flight doc can issue a 3rd on his own.
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