To clarify, AFPC does not set personnel policy. HAF/A1P sets the policies and initiates new programs. They're the ones that generate RIFs, SERBs, new ADSCs, Bonus', and recalls. AFPC executes the policies, but they have no power to "address this issue" until HAF tells them how to address it.

 

Kikuchiyo,

Thanks for your reply......so based on what you're hearing, even though there's a huge bathtub of 11F/12F guys, there's no real effort to target these guys for another round of recall/extensions to help with the manning shortage on the staffs for this background?

 

Allow me to clarify my question: does AFPC recognize a potential issue, and if so, what are they doing to convey that issue to HAF so that HAF can create policy? Does AFPC even have the ability or "want to" to address this issue with HAF?

Somehow I doubt the message makes it through all the yes-men filters, if it's even being sent. Sad.

 

I share your cynicism and distrust of the system. In this case, the leadership is hearing the message loud and clear. But there are other issues (money and time primarily) that affect leadership's ability to fix things right away.

In case you didn't hear, the 4-stars had a summit on this in Sep. There's another this coming Sep. The MAJCOM A3's had 2-days of meetings on it just a couple weeks ago. Have you ever done a real staff tour? If not, you have no idea of have many hundreds of hours go into prepping the O-6's, then the 2-stars, then the 3-stars, then sitting down with your 4-star so he can intelligently address the issues. I can assure you there's no "yes-men filters" on this issue. Don't believe me? Come do my job at any of the MAJCOMs.

I've got weekly telecoms with HAF and AFPC on this. O-6's, GS, O-5, O-4, RAND, are all trying to fix the fighter pilot shortage. But it's not gonna happen overnight. Another recall is not possible in the current fiscal and manning environment. Just like buying a new weapon system to replace a broken one takes years, this too is a long term fix.

 

Thanks. I should have clarified that I wasn't curious about how HAF was addressing the 11F shortage alone, but how they were addressing the potential mass exodus that may or may not be coming in the near future. And it's interesting that the best they can come up with after multiple Coronas, etc is to provide a 50% up-front option to the ACP bonus. LOL.

 

Kikuchiyo:

I have about 15 months left on my orders (three-year rated-retired recall). I applied for a 12-month extension last year when they were asking for guys to apply, but they said "Too early for you...apply July 2012."

The most I can legally get is another 12 months. Do you think they will entertain extensions, as a provision of the previous recall, or would they view it in the light of "New recall" that you and Thrust have been discussing?

I am an 11F guy in an 11F billet (albeit an 11F from a jet relegated to museums and the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico......)

All I know from watching the UAL/CAL forums here: I'm in no rush to go back to the airline business. It's like watching three seagulls fight over a french-fry.

 

Ah, okay. They are looking at the potential mass exodus, and the numbers have them convinced that it won't be that bad for rated overall. I don't particularly agree with their analysis.

They're completely focused on the 11F shortage. The bonus was the tiniest piece. They're making pretty significant changes in force structure, unit missions, FTU syllabi, etc. The problem has not recently been retention. The problem was caused by a lack of FTU and absorption capacity due to the 2nd and 3rd order effects of BRACs.

 

Go ahead and apply again now. The guy at HAF that approves them told me he'd rather get them a little early for planning. If the Recall Shop at AFPC rejects it cause you're too early, PM me.

Extensions are still be granted to 11F's in 11F billets under the current (old) VRAD/RRORP/LPRP. It will only be for 1 year.

There won't be another recall in the near term. The discussion on why not is several posts earlier.

 

Check your pm folder

 

Question for all those that might be a few months ahead of me in this program. I'm just curious how the separations process worked out for you, particularly how quickly you got your orders after filling out the worksheet? I was told that I will be able to get to the separation worksheet online when I am 6 months out from my orders ending. Does that check with other's experiences? I'll hit that 6 month point in about 3 weeks and am hoping to get the ball rolling on the move sooner rather than later since it takes so long to get stuff shipped back to the mainland from Hawaii and I'll actually go terminal in about 4 1/2 months. Any other gotcha's that people experienced? Thanks in advance.

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