Chris99

Whoa there, cowboy! You overestimate my powers! The emasculation of the military (and our country BTW) is something that was put in place long before I joined the military and I did nothing to "contribute." I've just completed every lousy CBT these tools have crammed down my throat. I voiced my support for a policy put in place by one of the only "good" generals left in the service and now I'm responsible for the downfall of our civilization. Your powers of deduction are astounding! Hey, if you guys think hanging up nudie pictures in your place of business is professional and don't mind your daughters walking through your squadron during "family day" to view those works of art, so be it. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if you want to do that, keep it at home where it belongs. I think Gen Welsh would back me up on that one. Flame on haters!

blastoff

Nudie pictures...nice straw man. I'm very afraid of this straw man.

Chris99

LIM, I guess time will tell. My experience with generals and politicians is they say they care (and might even believe they do), but when it's time to go to bat for their people, it turns out it was all just lip service. They only care about themselves. That's how our great nation and AF are in the situation they are in today.

Chris99

It's no straw man I'm afraid. The original post had a link to an article entitled "The end of the airman's pin-up: U.S. Air Force orders pictures of naked women to be taken down after sexual assaults soar." Am I missing something?

blastoff

In all seriousness, I believe the policy includes the broader definition of "anything that objectifies women," which would include the calendar in my Sq bar (Heritage Room) of fully clothed women, to the PG-13 scantily clad pin ups in (all-male) dorm rooms at deployed locations.

hawgdriver

We spent all of Friday cleaning out hard drives and taking down pics in the SQ that might be offensive. Waste of time if you ask me. Every fighter SQ in the world could get shut down with a little digging. BL is this wont stop sexual harassment. It just ****es everyone off and makes us feel like children.

Rhino12

Hawg - no pictures at work - but we want you to go mow down the bad guys with that little gun on your light twin - most the AF has no idea what life outside the cubicle is like.

crewdawg

Hawg, we all know porn, doofer books, and song books, are directly related to rape and assaults. So no looking at half naked chicks or singing bad songs...but hey, we need you to go strafe a group of people, then turn them into hair, teeth and eyeballs, by laying a 500 lb bomb in on their hide out...

hindsight2020

It seems as though you believe in the concept of a warrior monk. Most people in the corps don't. Don't let the fact you're a parent pussify you to the point where you cannot have an honest conversation with your future adult daughter and disclaim the fact male dominated occupations are replete with such dynamics and that the only way to alleviate this for your daughter is to simply lower the population of males in the military, act which would erode our combat effectiveness, politically incorrect as it may be for women to internalize. Nobody is telling her to stay in the kitchen, but if you're gonna roll at work with a preponderance of men subjected to frequent dislocation/separation, sex-starved and bored OR combat stressed (with an equally sex-starved and bored spousal unit at home, mind you), then such are the opportunity costs in life. It is what it is. The objectification of women is endemic to the defense mechanisms that make a preponderant male force 'human'.

The warrior monk is a myth. Men who fight are crude, swear, do NOT display an above-average measure of sexual restraint and have vices and personal short comings akin to those in the civilian population. It's a sunk cost and no amount of censorship is going to fundamentally change that dynamic. I think most women understand this dynamic. It's just that everybody is so afraid of losing their job in this economy, plus no real war to fight by the majority of the ChairForce noners, that the concept of heritage becomes detached and difficult to connect with,so it's easy to scapegoat. The emasculation of the Air force indeed. Unfortunately it is only in the presence of a real fight, where people die in substantive quantities, that this retarded gestapo antics gets equalized.

Professionalism does not equal warrior monk I'm afraid. Not in the real world where people die in combat. In the Air Force however, professionalism could be defined as the attempt to be warrior monks. It's a fool's errand, but at that point it's about keeping a paycheck, not being combat effective. Nothing substantive will change wrt sexual assaults with this latest sweep.

nwaf16dude

The only difference I am suggesting is that I believe, subjectively, that Swartz would have gone after the pilots named in the complaint, none of whom were alleged to have committed assault. I won't claim to have any evidence to support that belief, but I know that my opinion is shared by several flag officers. Welsh has said that he will not pursue any action against the individuals named in the complaint, and that's a good thing, because several of them are friends of mine and, in the end, that's what is important to me.