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04-25-2016, 02:02 PM
#392
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Question: My friend is wanting to do the ATP(has the written done). But he hasn't done the military competency to obtain the commercial. Under 61.153(d)(2) it looks like he just needs to meet the requirements to obtain the commercial but doesn't have to actually have one. Can anyone confirm? Will he need to do the Mil Comp written, and get the commercial or will he be able to just do the ATP.
04-25-2016, 04:29 PM
#393
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Why doesn't he just do the Mil comp test and be done with it? It's literally a free test that you take to the FSDO and they hand you a commercial ticket. Nothing could be easier.
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04-25-2016, 08:29 PM
#394
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Originally Posted by Hobbit64
I just finished my practical in southeast VA.
I used Rob G. (USN E-2 guy) at Curtis Eads for the instruction piece. He's been doing this a while and truly enjoys general aviation and the training aspect. He is very thorough and knows how military folks approach training so he can steer you well. I would absolutely use him again.
My DPE was John Phelps (Home Page). The eval was great. Not a 'gimme', but I didn't have to build the shuttle. Know your stuff, and it's a good time. Well thought out and good pace of events. Mr. Phelps was good at 'situational questions' for depth of knowledge and decision making evaluations.
Glad it's over, and I'd use both again in a heart beat knowing what I know now.
The DPE's in the area are booking up so, don't wait too long.
I used Rob G. (USN E-2 guy) at Curtis Eads for the instruction piece. He's been doing this a while and truly enjoys general aviation and the training aspect. He is very thorough and knows how military folks approach training so he can steer you well. I would absolutely use him again.
My DPE was John Phelps (Home Page). The eval was great. Not a 'gimme', but I didn't have to build the shuttle. Know your stuff, and it's a good time. Well thought out and good pace of events. Mr. Phelps was good at 'situational questions' for depth of knowledge and decision making evaluations.
Glad it's over, and I'd use both again in a heart beat knowing what I know now.
The DPE's in the area are booking up so, don't wait too long.
+1 for both Rob and John Phelps. Rob did my MEI prep and is a great instructor. I also taught at Curtis Eads and used John for my ME/ATP students; excellent and fair DPE.
The DPE's in all areas will likely book up as folks "grandfathered" under the old rules try to finish up before their written expires after 24 months.
04-25-2016, 10:06 PM
#395
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Originally Posted by gulfstreampiper
Question: My friend is wanting to do the ATP(has the written done). But he hasn't done the military competency to obtain the commercial. Under 61.153(d)(2) it looks like he just needs to meet the requirements to obtain the commercial but doesn't have to actually have one. Can anyone confirm? Will he need to do the Mil Comp written, and get the commercial or will he be able to just do the ATP.
I would recommend having the mil comp thing knocked out, but it is absolutely not required prior to getting your ATP.
04-26-2016, 06:33 PM
#396
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Originally Posted by Snaplock
I did my ATP a couple months ago without having my commercial done. I was the first one my examiner had seen like this but the examiner had no problems with it and was fully aware of how to handle the paperwork.
I would recommend having the mil comp thing knocked out, but it is absolutely not required prior to getting your ATP.
I would recommend having the mil comp thing knocked out, but it is absolutely not required prior to getting your ATP.
04-26-2016, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Toonces
Why doesn't he just do the Mil comp test and be done with it? It's literally a free test that you take to the FSDO and they hand you a commercial ticket. Nothing could be easier.
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04-26-2016, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gulfstreampiper
Is the only difference that he wouldn't have "Commercial Privileges: Airplane Single Engine Land"?
Life and work got in the way and I ended up not having time to get my commercial and CFI mil equivalency tests done before hand like I had planned. I decided that the ATP was a big deal and not something you even want to come close to failing so I focused on that.
Don't sweat the other stuff. I would recommend focusing on killing it during your ATP training and check ride and then knock out the two mil comp tests as able before you hit submit on airline apps.
04-27-2016, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Snaplock
My license says, "Airline Transport Pilot" then "Airplane Multi Engine Land" and then "Private Privileges, Airplane Single Engine Land" because I had my private previously.
Life and work got in the way and I ended up not having time to get my commercial and CFI mil equivalency tests done before hand like I had planned. I decided that the ATP was a big deal and not something you even want to come close to failing so I focused on that.
Don't sweat the other stuff. I would recommend focusing on killing it during your ATP training and check ride and then knock out the two mil comp tests as able before you hit submit on airline apps.
Life and work got in the way and I ended up not having time to get my commercial and CFI mil equivalency tests done before hand like I had planned. I decided that the ATP was a big deal and not something you even want to come close to failing so I focused on that.
Don't sweat the other stuff. I would recommend focusing on killing it during your ATP training and check ride and then knock out the two mil comp tests as able before you hit submit on airline apps.
(I did pass, this was a long time ago) 
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