RogAir -

How do you define 'separation of Church and State'?
It seems the further we get from the founding fathers, the more drastic it has become.
Are you sure you speak for them or understand what they were trying to accomplish?

 

At Gitmo Muslims get their Korans and prayer rugs, though.


"Merry Christmas" is a ubiquitous phrase.

Christmas is December 25, every year, like it or not. And it's a national holiday, every year, like it or not.

Banning "Merry Christmas" from the VA is absurd.

 

It wasn't banned!! Have you read the VA policy? If a soldier wants the card it will be given to him/her.

 

Can we just agree that the fact that we're even having this conversation is mad. Was this ever an issue 30 years ago? We're talking about kids just wanting to do something good. The fact they have to jump through hoops just to do something good tells us all we need to know about where we are as a nation. Sad. Everything is regulated to extreme these days.

 

Rog Air "And if they wanted Bibles or a Pagan plastic goat *** they would probably get those too (it's part of the Geneva Convention I believe, but don't quote me on that). Not really relevant to this argument because they probably requested them, unlike the unsolicited cards."

What is worse, the Taliban or liberal progressives? They have much in common!

No it WAS banned. The policy was overturned. They decided upon the spiritual care and who is to give it. It is clearly overstepping the bounds of freedom of religion.


If they had sent gay porn cards THAT would have been allowed.

 

I define it as the Government not endorsing or referencing any religion. Isn't that what the Constitution says? I believe this is what the founding fathers intended, having seen the ruinous effects on freedom in state sponsored religious European countries.

Seeing how they were almost all of a single faith, don't you think it odd they would go out of their way to explicitly prohibit a national religion? They knew what they were doing, and wisely so.

You referenced some instances where congress has endorsed the Bible/God and say we are getting further from that model. I would argue that is another form of progress towards the founding fathers wishes. Slavery existed under the Constitution; the country couldn't muster the political will to abolish that contradiction in the 1700s, it took decades. Women couldn't vote under the constitution; it took a century and a half to find the political will to fix that contradiction. I would argue what you are finally seeing now is the political will to get God out of the government. Just because something existed in the past (slavery/male voters only) doesn't make it right.



Slightly different topic. I'll throw these out there--

Does God need the US Government?

Does the US Government need God? (And if so, which One?)

I think if you ponder those, you'll see what the founding fathers were getting at.

 

From this guys user name & some of his post content, he obviously has it out for anyone not "like" him. We can be so narrow minded.

 

Taliban
1. One religion only, no others.
2. Homo=bad.
3. Women's right to their own body? No.
4. Hollywood=evil

Now, who has more in common with the Taliban? Liberals or Conservatives?

I think neither, but you brought it up.

 

The mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work unless it's open.

 

Kinda. It's ok for them to have sex with little boys...