Nice....hey, what's the thought of the day?

 

ok, so once again, we are talking about a bunch of kids wanting to show their thanks to some veterans and suddenly everything from the "Official Rules" to "PC" to the Constitution gets brought into the conversation. Can we just say there is too much thinking going on here. What ever happened to just doing something because you want to be nice? A previous post mentioned that most military vets, no matter their religion, would love the fact that a child is showing appreciation and I think that would be the case 99% of the time, but we have to bend over to be PC for the 1%. It's Christmas, it occurs every year on December 25th. I mean what is this demonstrating to these children about kindness? Will they take away from this experience that it's too much trouble to be kind? We all suffer from this sort of BS.

 

There are many examples I can choose from, but to stay on the subject, just Google "Christmas carols at schools" and read up. You'll also find there that the VA banned any Christmas carols that mention God in (at least) one of their hospitals...seriously?

Visible expressions of religion have been legally allowed to occur on US government property since this country was founded; do another Google search for recent court cases where the ACLU/etc. have tried to stop it in recent years and failed.

 

No it's not the constitution it is political correctness catching up on traditional values!
You want to keep the 10 commandments out of the courthouse, but want to mandate religious organizations provide birth control against its beliefs. You can't have it both ways my friend.

 

[/B]If we were to be arguing this in 1830, you would be arguing, "We've allowed slavery and prevented women from voting since this country was founded" and I guess you'd want me to cede right then and there. Well we've progressed, slowly, and we're slowly progressing on this issue.[B]

 

Let's not confuse the Constitution with Political Correctness. Some examples:
Un PC-
"White men can't jump"
"Asians can't drive"
"*****es be crazy"

All legal. I will be the first to agree that the butt-hurt police have run amok and are ruinin' 'Merica. I'm thinking politically incorrect thoughts right now, somebody tar and feather me.

Un Constitutional-
"Texas school board enforces Ramadan, no food allowed on campus for a month"
"Congress to pay for Passion of the Christ play to be performed on Supreme Court steps"

Do you see the difference?

Re: 10 Commandments. Only 2 are illegal in America (killin' & stealin') and those are hardly unique to Christianity. So why the big push?

Re: Birth control. Have to admit I don't know much about it, but I don't like the sound of forced participation, so no, I'm not trying to have it both ways.

Re:Traditional values. They change. We used to value slavery and non-voting women. But we're getting better, striving for a "more perfect Union"....

 

Thought for the day.. Just for you.

" Growing old is mandatory, Growing up is Optional ".

 

The religion clause in the Constitution makes no mention of keeping religion out of the public sphere. It does not exist to protect us from religion.

It exists to allow individuals to decide, on their own, which religion (or any religion) is good for them. It is designed to prevent the government from dictating what religion or non-religion you must observe.

Sending religious-themed cards from private individuals to patients in a government hospital is not an example of the government forcing religion on those patients. The patients are still capable of deciding for themselves if they wish to accept or dismiss the religious gestures and/or messages.

 

You are rite that traditional values have changed! Unfortunately Not for the better! Just because something is not technically illegal doesn't make it moral.
Do you not see the double standard here? How can you separate church from state if the government tells the church what it can and can not do?

 

Way to generalize (wrongly I might add). Google "William Wilberforce" (1759-1833) and you will find someone who understood the idea of absolute right/wrong and hated slavery because it is inherently wrong. Google "Northern abolition" and you will find out that half the US got this and between 1810-1840 practically all African Americans in the North were freed. The Declaration of Independence states "all men are created equal" and contains references to "God" and "Creator"--is this document unconstitutional? Your generalization would be more accurate if you turned it around and said "the minority of the population wants to own slaves, why don't the majority of us just mind our own business and not say anything about it. We wouldn't want to infringe on their supposed rights." Guess what, the right to own slaves doesn't exist, just like your supposed right to be free from hearing/seeing religious expression.

I couldn't find an instance where caroling was banned in a restaurant--not that it matters. You really don't grasp what the Constitution is saying--what about Congress singing "God Bless America" on the steps of the Capitol (multiple times)? Is that unconstitutional? You can sing Christmas carols or songs that reference God anywhere you want, the government just can't establish a RELIGION. Think about it this way: some people don't like to hear others curse, but you don't see them trying to make cursing outside of your own home/"backyard" illegal. If that doesn't make sense, think about the freedoms of religion and speech. People don't check who they are at the doors of a "government" building because it is a "religion-free" zone. That's absurd. Our freedoms guarantee our right to say what we want to (even if it offends someone else), when we want to. How can you not understand that?