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Old 02-24-2019 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Life improves when you don’t have a gaggle of cubicle people dedicated to finding ways to use you from 0001 on day one to 2359 on day last while ignoring realistic timeframes for rest, travel and aircraft prep.
True dat. Oh, to be five years younger...
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Old 02-24-2019 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
7 day tour

13.1
13.1
10.0
12.1
16.0
8.3
10.0

82.6

Would have been worse if I had accepted the Day 6 plan. My partner wanted to do it because it would have been 4 more hours of FDPP (and another 5 of duty). I said NFW.

But nobody is changing their behavior to chase the money, right?
Sheeeeesh. That sounds exhausting.... Let me guess, either the CL350 or Latitude fleet.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Sheeeeesh. That sounds exhausting.... Let me guess, either the CL350 or Latitude fleet.
Nope. They actually FLY. The duty week listed above yielded a whopping 23 hours of FDPP credit. 12 WHOLE HOURS of extra pay.

We just sit hot spare, airline or limo to new planes mid-tour, divert during ferries, recover every fleet, and try our best to execute the retarded plans that come from Bridgeway with alarmingly greater frequency.

Simple fact is, this was sold as an effort to improve QOL on the road. My experience since signing is that QOL has gotten worse. Still hoping that will change.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 06:12 AM
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Reality is nothing has changed except for getiing a bit more money. And the pilot group signed their life away for 8-10 years for crumbs. No significant work rules changes. Yes, you are getting paid more for doing the same job, but the root cause of the discontent has not changed and now any leverage fully gone for 8-10 years in the best job market of our generation.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Sheeeeesh. That sounds exhausting.... Let me guess, either the CL350 or Latitude fleet.
I'm assuming G5 based on his name. I've been wondering if the large cabin fleets would become less desirable with the new flight pay.

I'm in the Latitude and loving the new contract. I've finally achieved my lives mission of more money, less work. I really hope the last 2 months is the new standard.

I'm also so glad to be out of the broke ass fleets. My 2 years in the Latitude has been so much better because less airlining.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NJA04
I'm assuming G5 based on his name. I've been wondering if the large cabin fleets would become less desirable with the new flight pay.

I'm in the Latitude and loving the new contract. I've finally achieved my lives mission of more money, less work. I really hope the last 2 months is the new standard.

I'm also so glad to be out of the broke ass fleets. My 2 years in the Latitude has been so much better because less airlining.
You would be correct sir.

The ONLY motivation to remain in the GLC now (besides familiarity with the airplane) is the pay differential. And that is now largely eliminated because of the disparity there will be in FDPP.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
You would be correct sir.

The ONLY motivation to remain in the GLC now (besides familiarity with the airplane) is the pay differential. And that is now largely eliminated because of the disparity there will be in FDPP.
Why is there a disparity in FDPP for the G5? Doesn't it fly a lot of long legs?
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Old 02-25-2019 | 04:58 PM
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A buddy in recurrent said that fatigue calls are down 70% from last year, and that they are now fat 300 captains.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 05:34 PM
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We have been fat on captains since 2010, when the company couldn't do downgrades during the downturn and furlough. Fortunately the company is overlooking this and is upgrading FOs at a slow but steady pace.
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Old 02-25-2019 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8
Reality is nothing has changed except for getiing a bit more money. And the pilot group signed their life away for 8-10 years for crumbs. No significant work rules changes. Yes, you are getting paid more for doing the same job, but the root cause of the discontent has not changed and now any leverage fully gone for 8-10 years in the best job market of our generation.
I would say there have been significant work rule changes that incentivize the company to use us more efficiently or pay us for the additional work hours.

If you read the union messages regarding this last contract, they explicitly mention how it fails to address hiring and retention. I hardly think we've sold our leverage down the river. The company will likely be back at the negotiating table to address those issues that are quickly approaching a critical point. It's their problem and we have every opportunity to capitalize on it!
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