Originally Posted by v1rotatay

Here's what I could gather from my June class..

It was based on age and experience.

The 4/5 CL350 people in our class were all the oldest people. In fact they were so backed up that they called the 2 oldest person and asked if they would like an earlier sim slot for the Longtiude.

Then the latitude, me being in my 30's, was among the top 1/3 of age and was filled with many airline experienced people as was the CL350/Ce700.

Then lump in the Sovereign/phenom/XLS it was all the younger people and some with less jet time. But they also could have been short enough for the phenom too.

So take away what you will..

Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

I was 5th senior in my class. So that means 5th oldest. My previous aircraft has auto-throttle, VNAV and fly-by-wire and I had 1750hrs in it. When asked during indoc I expressed interest in the Latitude or Longitude. (I have no idea why they bothered asking) The bulk of my class got the Latitude including people with zero jet time. I got the Sovereign. There were five aircraft assigned at the end of indoc: Latitude, CL350, Phenom, Sovereign and XLS. I think they could easily use a class bidding system with so many fleets available especially when fleet has everything to do with earnings. Being locked in an airplane that is nearing end of life and they aren’t taking new owners in it can be a real drag especially when I bump into people that were in my class telling me how they may break $200K this year and they are on the same schedule.

Originally Posted by Peabody17

Sounds like you might be a candidate for a Global or 650 SIC if they unlock the bids.

Originally Posted by H NGM N

Year 1 Pay Breakdown

TLDR: Way too much soft money too budget for year 2 outside of salary. Timing was everything and extended days and FDP are drying up.

Here's a breakdown of my year 1 pay. For some context I started IOE ~ 3.5 months after Indoc. I remained on the CC72 schedule after IOE and until the summer. CC 72 for approximately 8 months and have been on the 7/7 the past 4 months.

Salary: $80,100 - 179 Scheduled Duty Days
Extended Day: $29,400 - 28 extended days. Mostly due to the guaranteed verbiage of our previous LOA for being on the CC 72 Schedule.
FDP Night: $200
FDP Non - Flt: $2600
FDP: $52,500
Holiday Pay: $4700
Per Diem: $9000
401(k) Match: $12,095 ~ unrealized
Gross: ~ $196,300

Whats not included in this breakdown is other compensation such as tips, Fuel points (Atlantic Bucks, Tailwins, AV Trip), Hotel points, airline points, and credit card points on the AMEX. Maybe a value of 3k for these perks.

For the 401(k) match I won't be fully vested until year 5

Compared to my peers I probably did better than average. As shown above if you're in an overstaffed fleet or in an older fleet that is constantly AOG'd, then lack of soft money will severely affect your monthly take home pay.

Originally Posted by C2078

Incredible how some people still consider Per Diem and FBO perks income 🙄.

Originally Posted by C2078

Incredible how some people still consider Per Diem and FBO perks income 🙄.

Originally Posted by Pervis

FBO perks are ok but not part of income. Per Diem, considering we are fed decently without spending a dime of it, fits into a grey area though. Between meal deviations, pre deviations, decent inclusive breakfast (for the most part), and even improving crew food in many markets, I pocket my per diem most of the time. While not guaranteed per say, I’ve been financially “enhanced” for well over 20 years with all the extras.

Airline miles, hotel points, Atlantic bucks, Tailwins, tips, free meals, etc, all add to our overall compensation. While variable depending on fleet, season, and other conditions, it does add up. I certainly wouldn’t rely on it, but it’s there. Airline folks get none of those extras.

Originally Posted by MinRest

I didn't know people included 401k match and DC contributions in their salary income either. That is also a MONTH of extended days to get there.