biigD

Ah thanks! He'll be happy to know that I underestimated the figures a bit. Glad to see you guys making more money these days!

OhSnapAF

You’re right I was a little off.

The increase from year 1 to year 10 is $46,054. So if he’s making 115k year 1, he will make 161k at year 10. Still sad, and also not realistic to make 115k year 1.

HandyHansell

This keeps coming up and needs to be laid to rest.

Per diem is NOT compensation. End of story.

You do not work 5 months a year! No you do not. You work the ENTIRE year. You can not work Jan-May and then call it a year. NOPE. You work 12 months a year, end of discussion.

Vacation is ONLY the days you are getting paid for. Year 1 you get NO vacation. Year 2 you get 14 days separated into 7 day blocks. Your vacation is worth ONLY those days. Sure you have other days, lead in/out days but those are not your vacation. They count toward your normal amount of days off in that month. So if you bid 76 and get 21 days assigned that month and it’s MAR and have 1 week of vacation. That gives you 1 block of 15 days off, which is one week of vacation and the rest of the month you have a total of a grand total of 6 days off max more likely a lot less. That’s it. So it can look like Mar 1-2off(seam) March 3-9 on, March 10-13(lead in days) March 14-20(paid vacation) March 21-24(out days) March 25-April 1 work. Looks fun doesn’t it...don’t worry they get payback in April to make up for it.

You can make out and make some extra cash but you have to work for it. You can extend and give up days at home, you can LUCK out and top 12.1 per week. The ONLY way to make more money is actually working for it and have lots of luck in being in the right fleet and right schedule etc etc etc. You have very little control over if you make extra money.

So in conclusion like everything else at NJA you have very little control over how much you make and what days you work. You know you will work a set amount of days per month. You have no control on CC over your schedule, extended days, OT and extra flight pay. Per diem is not income and you do NOT work just 5 months a year.

symbian simian

Can’t tell if you are serious??

Just in case:
If you are on the 7/7 you work every other week, so you will be scheduled to work 26 weeks per year. If you have 2 weeks vacation you will work 24 weeks no matter how you take them. Were some people apparently get confused:
If you take the weeks separately, you will have 2 blocks of 21 days, if you take them “consecutively” you will have one block of 35 days, you don’t have to use any days off for the week in between you weren’t scheduled to work (similar to office workers getting 16 days off with 10 days vacation, not 12 days lost because weekends....). Also, while it seems like you have an extra week (42>35), you don’t, you just counting a normal scheduled week off as vacation:
If you are scheduled off on the odd weeks, and take vacation week 2 and 4, and work week 6 so you will work 7 days in 42 days.
If you take week 2 and 6 off, you work week 4, so 7 days off work also, and for both you go back to work week 8. No difference.

Math lesson over, grammar tomorrow.

Edit to add:

Obviously this is based only on 7/7, and the 35 day block on:

symbian simian

First definition of compensation in my dictionary:
the action or process of awarding someone money as a recompense for loss, injury, or suffering. Seems fitting.
PD is not income, I agree, but it is part of the total package. To honestly compare 2 jobs you look at everything, including per diem. There are plenty of jobs were you don’t get as much PD, don’t keep the points, pay for health insurance, go to crappy hotels and are on call 24/7. It counts.

On the 5 month thing, exactly!! Like office workers saying they work less than a 1/4 of the year (2000 out of every 8760 hours).

biigD

Yeah, those 200+ day schedules seem pretty brutal to me. A newhire can get on the 7/7 or CC60 right away, correct? I don't see why someone would willingly bid the CC72 or CC76 unless there was no home life to speak of.

OhSnapAF

Bidding those schedules is the only way to make close to what a pilot should be making in 2019 for flying a jet at a “top tier” career job, it’s still pretty far behind when you look at a 10 year snapshot but it’s even farther off on the less slave schedules. You can hold 7/7 fairly quickly after training which is nice. .

MWilliams

Do you get vacation year one? Yes and no. If you are hired in April, you will get one week, 7 days, to bid for the next vacation year. It all depends on what month you get hired.

MWilliams

I’m not arguing that NetJets pays as well as the 121 world, I’m just putting facts out there.

$140,532 would be the base pay of a 2018 new hire on the CC76 at the amendable date of the 2018 CBA (2025). There are two pay bumps each year, one for longevity and one in December for the new contract year. It is what it is.

flyitfast

The $115k was from the guy who a Netjets FO on the 7/7 from a previous post. I think he extends the 4 days per quarter too I think. He will make more than $125k in year ten at Netjets. I think you’re talking about a different frac...