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Old 08-13-2019 | 12:27 PM
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They also have had a pretty significant fail rate in initial training. One reason I came here over a major was I know my schedule for 4 months at a time and airline to your starting point and home. You can make a lot more money at a major but I like working 5 1/2 months first year on track to make $95-100K. Its not for everyone though. I would say FDP has added a third pay check every month. Fatti Latti is busy though, got 8 hours of flying today of FDP. If you need to know where your going to be every night don't come here, I've been from Baham overnight to Jackson Hole this las tour.
Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.

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Old 08-13-2019 | 05:37 PM
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You literally took that literally when I think it’s quite clear what he/she meant.

And you’re right, I have NEVER worked 5.5 months...usually about 4.5 (vacation, PTO, Sick days)

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Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.
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Old 08-13-2019 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tm602
Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.
I am not sure why Guard keeps saying that like it's impressive. You can work the same amount of days at any airline. If he actually ever worked at a major he would know that.
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Old 08-16-2019 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tm602
Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.
Exactly. So office workers work less than 3 months per year? (2000 out of 8760 hours)
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Old 08-16-2019 | 04:51 AM
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You literally took that literally when I think it’s quite clear what he/she meant.

And you’re right, I have NEVER worked 5.5 months...usually about 4.5 (vacation, PTO, Sick days)
Yeah. Not true
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Old 08-20-2019 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
I am not sure why Guard keeps saying that like it's impressive. You can work the same amount of days at any airline. If he actually ever worked at a major he would know that.
Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!
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Old 08-20-2019 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Guard
Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!
You seem to harbor a little Ill will toward your time at a 121, regional I assume. Anyway I did Netjets for 12 years. Left to a major last year. Made the best choice I have ever made. I average more days off now than I ever did at Netjets, on second year pay I make more now than I did as a 12 year FO at Netjets working the 76CC. In fact my class at Netjets just upgraded, I make almost the same as a year 13 PIC working the same amount of days per month, 15. I bid reserve cause it pays better and gives me a few extra days at home not being used, so I guess under your belief I work only 3 months a year. (LOL)Plus I show up at the plane 30 minutes prior and we walk off behind the last of the passengers, unless it’s last leg and FOs are usually first or second person off . I dont think I have sweated once in 18 months while at work....call me brainless but my game is work less for more.

Anyway my point is you do you and not worry about what others do. Just don’t conflate the facts to fit a false narrative you have...
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Old 08-20-2019 | 05:27 PM
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You both need to chill , the guys crowing about how great it is on BOTH sides, need to realize what works best for one, may not work for the other, if you are happy in your work , God bless, if not move on, the hiring continues.cheers .
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Old 08-20-2019 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 727C47
You both need to chill , the guys crowing about how great it is on BOTH sides, need to realize what works best for one, may not work for the other, if you are happy in your work , God bless, if not move on, the hiring continues.cheers .

Things I miss about NetJets.

* my friends/co workers. Still talk to many of them every week.

* training at FlightSafety

* crew food. Those salmon salads were GOOD

* Going to/from plane via an FBO

* hotel lounge access / points




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Old 08-20-2019 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by G550Guy
Things I miss about NetJets.

* my friends/co workers. Still talk to many of them every week.

* training at FlightSafety

* crew food. Those salmon salads were GOOD

* Going to/from plane via an FBO

* hotel lounge access / points




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We miss you too, amigo. I told our former colleague to find you and give you some crap when he starts at Brown this month.


But salmon? Oooof, gives me the willies....
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