Shenzi105

I would believe that NJA has a pretty high number of applications on file. If they only hire 4-5 a month as it seems to be said in this thread, then it would not an easy job to get.

Flyfalcons

It's all supply/demand. Right now we don't have a ton of demand for new pilots. I will say that the company has turned down pilots that I personally know and think highly of. Wish I could give a better answer than that.

Macjet

That would be nice but with 3 day trips instead of 7 there's little to call in for.

Now, the union....

I'm still curious as to what '121 maneuvers' are. Different ILS? A new technique to fly steep turns? Different stall procedures? Different flight levels to fly? They still haven't answered on what '121 maneuvers' are.

GeeWizDriver

That was just an incorrect turn of phrase.

For years Netjets has been moving the different fleet types to a Part 121 training SYLLABUS instead of a Part 135 syllabus. It is largely a paperwork exercise but it did allow certain simulator events to be waived during recurrent training and allowed the use of LOFTs to check off some boxes. Checkride format and line check requirements under Part 121 are also somewhat different.

It’s a distinction without much of a difference to (mis)quote an old saying. Try not to get too wrapped around the axle over it.

Now AQP will be an entirely different kettle of fish. Training requirements, training frequency, and training format will all COMPLETELY change. I’ll be curious to see when and how each fleet is transitioned. I also wonder if it will even happen in my fleet given the disposal plan and whether the timeline makes it worthwhile. Needless to say, they haven’t told us a THING in that regard.

jtf560

I believe the mystical 121 maneuvers may be doing stalls in realistic situations and training at the edges of the performance envelope. We have been getting trained on how to fly at predictable airspeeds with pitch and AOA when airspeed is not correct (think Air France) and we have been doing high altitude stall recoveries lately in the sim. We will also be using the FOQA and ASAP data more and more to decide where there are real world systemic issues that need to be addressed.

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jtf560

There are lots of applicants for few positions. Two areas that you didn't seem to indicate you had covered were internal recommendations and some way to show that you are capable/ familiar with good customer service. The company has been a bit over focussed on the customer service side of hiring for a few years now, but if they don't beleieve you have any background or knowledge of dealing with customers, they are very skittish about giving you a chance to prove yourself. Your flight experience is fine, but I would suggest finding a way to a show you are able to deal well with those in the back. How that is done, I don't know- I was hired before that was important to show beforehand to those in charge of hiring. Good luck if you decide to keep trying.

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Cozmo

I appreciate the advice. I just find it strange that nearly 15 years of 135 time isn't even worth a phone call. I find this odd too -

"It's been determined that your background is not a match for the requirements set forth in this position."

Maybe that's just boilerplate that they use for all of their rejections, but the wording makes me wonder if I screwed up something on the application, like said "yes" to felonies or DUIs or whatever. My record is spotless, and if anything, I feel like I'm overqualified. Isn't there a pilot shortage?

JTwift

Here’s what my TBNT said.

“Unfortunately, we have chosen to move forward with another candidate. Your resume will remain on file for a period of one year.

We wish you the best in your career search and encourage you to continue to visit our Career Center for other opportunities that may be of interest to you.”

jtf560

Management refuses to ackowledge that they may have a hard time getting anyone with any experience once they finally need to ramp up hiring. My guess is you got the boilerplate/ standard rejection. Maybe find a new way to frame your customer related experience and try again. Nobody will be happy when we can only get raw, inexperienced pilots.

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Cozmo

hmmm... I don't remember there being any way to frame my customer service experience at all. There weren't any essay questions that I recall. It was all personal info, education, flight experience fill in the blank type stuff. Could I have missed an entire section of the app and still submitted it?