Mainline Hiring
11-01-2021, 10:34 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Chrysler Pacifica
Posts: 203
Originally Posted by dera
Only work 17 days straight if thats what you want. Plenty of split lines that are scheduled pretty much like 135, except with more days off per month.
11-01-2021, 10:44 AM
#22
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 940
Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash
Funny thing is absolutely no one asked your opinion. You found another “girl”.
Presently we have pilots leaving AA wholly owned and other regional carriers for Netjets. The AA wholly owned new hires are giving up the Airbus seat for a bizjet. Turns out commuting isn’t conducive to a solid family life, and that holds true for any airline, not just a regional.
Plain and simple, if you want to live in Billings, Albany, Providence, etc and fly for a 121 carrier, you will go to and from work on your own time and expense. If you want to fly professionally and not deal with non-reving, jumpseating and a two day off block between trips, you come to Netjets. There are plenty of times I’ve gotten on a 737 going to/from a trip and thought “I miss getting in the airplane and turning left”. Then I remember how much of my life I wasted commuting in the day before a trip, buying my own hotel, staying in a crash pad, busting my hump to make a 15 minute turn off my last flight to catch my last commute chance and said to myself, “nah. Cleaning the lav is way better than dealing with that sh—“. Same when I see my W-2 and think “I’d have made $70K more at <insert airline here>”. Then it’s “I spent $70k this year to spend extra time I would have used commuting with my teenaged kid, on my boat, fiddling with cars or just generally sitting on my rear end not stressing about how I’m going to get to work when all the flights on Monday are oversold, the weather sucks and there are three other guys already listed for the jumpseat”.
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Presently we have pilots leaving AA wholly owned and other regional carriers for Netjets. The AA wholly owned new hires are giving up the Airbus seat for a bizjet. Turns out commuting isn’t conducive to a solid family life, and that holds true for any airline, not just a regional.
Plain and simple, if you want to live in Billings, Albany, Providence, etc and fly for a 121 carrier, you will go to and from work on your own time and expense. If you want to fly professionally and not deal with non-reving, jumpseating and a two day off block between trips, you come to Netjets. There are plenty of times I’ve gotten on a 737 going to/from a trip and thought “I miss getting in the airplane and turning left”. Then I remember how much of my life I wasted commuting in the day before a trip, buying my own hotel, staying in a crash pad, busting my hump to make a 15 minute turn off my last flight to catch my last commute chance and said to myself, “nah. Cleaning the lav is way better than dealing with that sh—“. Same when I see my W-2 and think “I’d have made $70K more at <insert airline here>”. Then it’s “I spent $70k this year to spend extra time I would have used commuting with my teenaged kid, on my boat, fiddling with cars or just generally sitting on my rear end not stressing about how I’m going to get to work when all the flights on Monday are oversold, the weather sucks and there are three other guys already listed for the jumpseat”.
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I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
11-01-2021, 11:29 AM
#23
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,454
Originally Posted by Blueridger
Ok.. so now we’re comparing ACMI to 135 charter operators. But doing so in the fractional thread? While we’re on the derailment express, I have a wonderful blueberry muffin recipe if anyone wants it!
11-01-2021, 01:46 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 199
Originally Posted by MinRest
So NJA is better than regionals and Atlas? Congrats!
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
Buyers remorse is what it’s called.
11-01-2021, 06:16 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 684
Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
TEB Hilton one of the few places to get eggs benedict included in the rate. It does a good job softening the blow of being in TEB.
No thanks!
11-01-2021, 06:50 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by MinRest
So NJA is better than regionals and Atlas? Congrats!
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
Seriously, what’s your beef with NetJets? No doubt you were hired during a rough time. However, career progression, or lack there of, was no secret. You were fortunate enough to move on to a major and at the time it was with out a doubt the right career decision, and get on with one before the huge wave at that. I tried for years myself along with probably every FO who was of age, but I wasn’t fortunate enough to get an interview at any of my target airlines. By the time I had my shot, the Max issue put a halt to it and spending years commuting across the country wasn’t going to sit well with the family. So here I sit as a long term FO. And yes I definitely spent way too much time on their boards to see if I made the right decision, but I finally had to put it down. You’ve now been gone twice as long as your NetJets career, upgraded, and making more money so why keep trashing the company? A lot has improved and it’s turned into a career destination. It’s definitely not perfect but it works for some. To keep coming back and giving nothing but negative advice only makes it sound as if you regret leaving.
11-02-2021, 03:36 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Upright
Posts: 601
Originally Posted by MinRest
So NJA is better than regionals and Atlas? Congrats!
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
I think the funnier opinion is from people who have either never worked for a mainline 121 carrier, or when they did, the internet didn't exist. Everyone at NJA seems to spout this horrific idea of the airlines and how amazing NJA is yet the percentage of them that have worked for any good airline in recent times is literally zero. Why? Because nobody is willfully leaving a legacy 121 job to go to NJA unless they hit 65 and are forced out. I also remember the amount of retired airline types that actually stated after IOE and in 2017 when I left NJA it was about 50% of them.
NJASAP tracks attrition, you can easily check and see for your self. 5 YOS and under will be extremely high turnover, over 25% as long as the floodgates at the airlines are still open. No doubt the pay increases have helped at NJA but if somebody wants to go to the airlines, or go back to the airlines, they will go.
NJA didn't lower their minimums because they were getting too many high time applicants. NJA is catering to the same demographic of pilot that the regionals are. Also, don't take it so personally when somebody doesn't like NJA. You are an employee, nothing more. This in't a genital measuring contest. Somebody had asked about NJA pilots leaving to mainline so in fact my experience would be more relevant than yours, and my initial response didn't trash NJA in the least bit, I merely gave my experience.
I find it amusing how much time and energy you spend on this board. You’re not the only one to move on from one carrier to another and peruse what’s going on at the old place, but certainly one of the few who considers their dated knowledge to be relevant and posting it rampantly.
Congratulations on your career progression. I’m thankful you’ve found somewhere better suited for your talents and skills.
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12-02-2021, 06:00 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: Both Seats
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by JJDriver
Seriously, what’s your beef with NetJets? No doubt you were hired during a rough time. However, career progression, or lack there of, was no secret. You were fortunate enough to move on to a major and at the time it was with out a doubt the right career decision, and get on with one before the huge wave at that. I tried for years myself along with probably every FO who was of age, but I wasn’t fortunate enough to get an interview at any of my target airlines. By the time I had my shot, the Max issue put a halt to it and spending years commuting across the country wasn’t going to sit well with the family. So here I sit as a long term FO. And yes I definitely spent way too much time on their boards to see if I made the right decision, but I finally had to put it down. You’ve now been gone twice as long as your NetJets career, upgraded, and making more money so why keep trashing the company? A lot has improved and it’s turned into a career destination. It’s definitely not perfect but it works for some. To keep coming back and giving nothing but negative advice only makes it sound as if you regret leaving.
As for "my truck tires are bigger and better then your truck tires" dabate...it's a boring and tired old arguement. NJA will have a tough time attracting young pilots due to the lack of forced retirement age. The come/go from after IOE to about year five is certainly higher then those leaving who have 15+ years on property and are around 53 and older. This is for obvious reasons.
NJA flying isn't for all and the true is for airline and I'm talking major, not the regionals. NJA has ZERO pilots leaving for the regionals. Why? Duh, that's an easy equation to figure for sure. One guy a few years back left for Kalitta and many were left dumbfounded as why? It worked for that person.
End of the day a person will do what they feel is best for them and their family. NJA has many reasons all ages will come and stay. Same as many will hit the regional life and hang till the call from the bullpen and go to a major. When one has been at a company years ago, left for a better life, stills talks trash and hasn't moved on we know there's more the the story. At some point one must wake up and realize to let it go.
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