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#51
You weren't a new hire in 2015, you were coming back from furlough. New hire classes were pumped up with lots of talk, and I totally get it, they all believed it and thought it was coming so it wasn't a purposeful lie or anything. It just didn't pan out the way they thought...
#53
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Use some of that Captain money to buy a hobby or something.
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#54
Mainline Hiring
Captains didn't get downgraded at NJA, but NJA furloughed the highest percentage of pilots out of anyone, including the airlines in 2008. Let's not pretend that NJA is invincible.
Everyone that was hired in 2015 was promised mass growth and a huge reduction of upgrade times. Fast forward to 2022 (just about) and upgrade times are still sitting about thee 10 year mark. The few from my new hire class that stayed, are still looking at anther 2-3 years to upgrade. It is what it is but I absolutely remember hearing the same song and dance about how "now is the time" and "you are in front of the wave" etc etc. Major airlines don't pull that stuff.
You speak about an airline industry that doesn't exist anymore. Will the industry see downgrades and furloughs during rough times? Probably, but a "continued downward spiral" of the airline industry isn't happening, no matter how much the furloughed airline pilots of yesteryear who found themselves at NJA want it to happen. '
NJA is a great place for the right person, but the need to crap on the airline industry to justify NJA is silly.
Everyone that was hired in 2015 was promised mass growth and a huge reduction of upgrade times. Fast forward to 2022 (just about) and upgrade times are still sitting about thee 10 year mark. The few from my new hire class that stayed, are still looking at anther 2-3 years to upgrade. It is what it is but I absolutely remember hearing the same song and dance about how "now is the time" and "you are in front of the wave" etc etc. Major airlines don't pull that stuff.
You speak about an airline industry that doesn't exist anymore. Will the industry see downgrades and furloughs during rough times? Probably, but a "continued downward spiral" of the airline industry isn't happening, no matter how much the furloughed airline pilots of yesteryear who found themselves at NJA want it to happen. '
NJA is a great place for the right person, but the need to crap on the airline industry to justify NJA is silly.
We don’t have any 10 year upgrades because it’s not 2025. No one knows yet when the 2015 class will upgrade. NJA still has to get through the 2008 seniority group first. NJA did not hire from Dec 2008-Dec 2014. I don’t count the one person in 2009 since he’s in management.
We won’t know actual upgrade times post furlough because we are not there yet. But they will reduce automatically by 6 years when we get to the 2015 new hires.
You got here in 2015 when we were under a terrible CEO whom turned everyone against each other and was eventually fired. You never stuck it out to see the great company we have evolved to.
You left for greener grass or so you thought, yet keep coming back to this one. You sat at home for a year while the taxpayers paid for your at home staycation, yet still feel the need to come back here. You’ve finally upgraded at a part 121 airline, yet still come back here.
You don’t seem to be happy at the greener grass based on your other posts over there. Will you ever be happy? The grass is only greener where you water it. Find your grass to water. It’s clearly not here.
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#55
We don’t have any 10 year upgrades because it’s not 2025. No one knows yet when the 2015 class will upgrade. NJA still has to get through the 2008 seniority group first. NJA did not hire from Dec 2008-Dec 2014. I don’t count the one person in 2009 since he’s in management.
We won’t know actual upgrade times post furlough because we are not there yet. But they will reduce automatically by 6 years when we get to the 2015 new hires.
You got here in 2015 when we were under a terrible CEO whom turned everyone against each other and was eventually fired. You never stuck it out to see the great company we have evolved to.
You left for greener grass or so you thought, yet keep coming back to this one. You sat at home for a year while the taxpayers paid for your at home staycation, yet still feel the need to come back here. You’ve finally upgraded at a part 121 airline, yet still come back here.
You don’t seem to be happy at the greener grass based on your other posts over there. Will you ever be happy? The grass is only greener where you water it. Find your grass to water. It’s clearly not here.
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We won’t know actual upgrade times post furlough because we are not there yet. But they will reduce automatically by 6 years when we get to the 2015 new hires.
You got here in 2015 when we were under a terrible CEO whom turned everyone against each other and was eventually fired. You never stuck it out to see the great company we have evolved to.
You left for greener grass or so you thought, yet keep coming back to this one. You sat at home for a year while the taxpayers paid for your at home staycation, yet still feel the need to come back here. You’ve finally upgraded at a part 121 airline, yet still come back here.
You don’t seem to be happy at the greener grass based on your other posts over there. Will you ever be happy? The grass is only greener where you water it. Find your grass to water. It’s clearly not here.
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I know any realistic talk of NJA cuts to your core so I apologize for upsetting you. I know you needed the math lesson, do I need to explain how public forums work as well?
#56
Crapping on NJA? By saying I wish them the best? lol. You guys get too emotionally wrapped up the place you work.
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#59
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,063
Yes, and many of the crewmembers staffing the fleet were displaced to it as we retired older airframes. The Phenoms were modernizing the fleet and not necessarily for growth. Due diligence on the part of a new hire in learning what is actually happening at a company is crucial to avoiding unrealistic expectations. I'm sure we can look back here on APC to find out if any new hires in the 2015 time frame were actually expecting a 2-3 year upgrade.
#60
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Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 172
Getting emotionally wrapped up in one’s company is something called pride. Especially since the pilot group has been instrumental in securing one heck of a CBA and bringing this company to the level it’s at now in the 22 years I’ve been here. Just flew with an FO last tour on the CC72 schedule who is north of $200k/yr in the large cabin. He has no reason nor desire to upgrade into a small cabin at this point even though his seniority would hold an upgrade bid.
Finally, anyone in this industry who believes “promises” made during recruitment/hiring is naive at best. I can think of other descriptions that would fit better though.
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