wej80

So, back to mainline hiring... I'm applying to NetJets and think it will be a great improvement to the regional grind and even those first few years at a legacy (however long it takes to even get there....).
Now, say my spouse after a while says "nope, can't do you being gone 7 days in a row", I can't hold a crew choice line, and decide this isn't going to work for my family. I had one retired commercial guy tell me that moving to Corporate would "blacklist" me and make it more difficult/nay impossible to get back into commercial. Anyone heard anything like that?

DenVa

Not true. Likely harder, but not impossible. With the need for pilots in the next few years, it may not even be harder.

Flyfalcons

We have had enough pilots go to 121 that your retired commercial guy is not correct.

AntiPeter

I left NJA a few years ago. I felt NJA made getting back to 121 more difficult. It's easier to leave with an internship, 141 course, etc. I didn't have any of those and even though my record was good I felt like I needed to prove myself (again) and some look down on my NJA and 135 time.

NetJets is a very good job. I ended up not liking the increasing elderly pilot problem and, in my opinion, the pilots sold their souls for FFDP pay...QOL? Fatigue? What's that? Check out my paycheck...

No thanks.

30% of my tours at NJA were miserable. I don't think much has changed in that regard.

With that said, the healthcare is amazing and PICs make a lot of money. NJA is a very good job in our industry.

Best wishes.

My first year at a legacy was much better QOL than anytime at NJA. I can be a PIC after 2 years, so recouping the lost money is easier than I had anticipated.

I sometimes miss NJA...but overall for me the choice was clear because of the trajectory of the NJA pilot group.

jtf560

Tours under 6 days are rather rare. Even the 52 day schedule (13 days per month) will usually have at least one 7 day tour. The 5 day (short tour) option is severely limited in slots allowed and it is limited to "green bases". This is not a good job for those who will have issues with being gone for 6+ days in a row. The short tours also severely restrict how much FDP pay you will be available to make.

corppilot3604

Agreed. NJ provides a lot of opportunities to make money, but you have to go out on the road and make it happen. Base salaries are much lower than the Majors. The money is in the flying. There is plenty to go around, but you will work for it.

corppilot3604

PIC after two years? Are you commuting? If you are a commuter, then a two year upgrade to NYC with commuting and being home less is a major factor. I dare to say most guys wouldn't take that upgrade.

ProfessionalSN

Since NetJets doesn't have a forced retirement age, I know there's a large older pilot group. Does anyone have an idea of the number? With regards to what a new hire in their early 30's can hope for? If most of the pilots will retire in the next ten years, not for age but probably loss of medical and just wanting to finally retire? Thoughts on anything a younger hire can hope for in movement or issues, in the long run, making a hopeful life-long career here? Being a long-time FO doesn't bother me, but a potential light at the end of the tunnel is nice to dream about.

Peabody17

Professional: I can't tell you how many are over 60, 70 or higher, but I know the future is bright for anyone wanting to make NJ a career. We're on track to hire 330+ this year, 450 next year, are adding 100+ aircraft this year and next, and have ordered an additional 100 Phenoms with deliveries starting in 2023. Yes, there are a significant number of Captains who will be aging out (loss of medical, expected retirement, etc.), plus the Flight Duty Pay is allowing more folks to hit their "magic number" and retire sooner than they originally expected.

If this is the type of flying you want to do, get in NOW!

avi8er

this is exactly the same cool aid they were serving back in 2007-2008. Hope it all works out. All this is just timing.