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Originally Posted by MaxMar
(Post 3820592)
Everything you said was true except for this. There is no additional time added when you upgrade if it occurs in your first seat lock, regardless of if it was in-fleet or not, since the initial equipment lock is under 15.4(A) and the section you're quoting from is 15.4(B). It's in the interpretive transcripts for Section 15. If you upgrade in your first 39 months at NetJets you'll have a fresh new 39 month lock starting from the date of the award unless it was in-fleet. I got my upgrade award out-of-fleet in April 2024, hired March 2022, my seatlock is up in July 2027.
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You're talking about 2020AA. Things are different now.
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Originally Posted by hammerhead
(Post 3820288)
Depends on who you ask, what schedule they are on, how many VAWD they picked up, how lucky they are etc.
It's less than Phenom and Latty to the tune of five figures per annum but it's impossible to provide an exact number that would be true for everyone. |
Originally Posted by JustBoeing
(Post 3820624)
Just spoke with a 650 guy and he averages about 17 hours a tour!
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
(Post 3820612)
I know someone who would beg to differ. He had almost 5 years of seat lock left when he left the company.
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Originally Posted by Texasfly
(Post 3820722)
That person is a fool for trusting the company with math. If you upgrade out of fleet from your FIRST assigned award at indoc, The first seat lock is vacated and you get a new 39mo lock
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Originally Posted by Texasfly
(Post 3820722)
That person is a fool for trusting the company with math. If you upgrade out of fleet from your FIRST assigned award at indoc, The first seat lock is vacated and you get a new 39mo lock
When he was hired, he fit out of the Phenom and was placed in the XLS. When the first available PIC bid reached his seniority number and was awarded to him, it was in a Phenom and he had just over a year left on his new hire lock. Since he already fit out of the Phenom, his PIC seat was in an XLS. BUT, they tacked on a full 39 month seat lock to his remaining lock since the upgrade was "technically" in the Phenom. Voila. More than four years. And although that may have changed for NEW upgrades under the amended agreement, his lock would have still stood. So, because the company LOVES screwing its pilots, another great guy and pilot left. |
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
(Post 3820864)
That's under the new contract.
When he was hired, he fit out of the Phenom and was placed in the XLS. When the first available PIC bid reached his seniority number and was awarded to him, it was in a Phenom and he had just over a year left on his new hire lock. Since he already fit out of the Phenom, his PIC seat was in an XLS. BUT, they tacked on a full 39 month seat lock to his remaining lock since the upgrade was "technically" in the Phenom. Voila. More than four years. And although that may have changed for NEW upgrades under the amended agreement, his lock would have still stood. So, because the company LOVES screwing its pilots, another great guy and pilot left. |
Originally Posted by MaxMar
(Post 3820892)
You misunderstand the math. He got a new fresh 39 month lock with his upgrade when he would otherwise have not gotten one since it was ‘in fleet’. He didn’t get a 5 year lock, he was just denied credit for what he had already served in the XLS. Big difference, and none of this changed in the 2024AA.
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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05
(Post 3820913)
He got the upgrade in another fleef, which is why he incurred the seat lock. Just becasue he fit test out agan and was put in his old fleet does not negate the fact he upgraded out of fleet. He could have waited for an XLS bid and most likely would have got it well short of another 39 month seatlock. He should have waited and chose that. Hereaped what he sowed.
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