SpaceShipEarth

None taken. It was tung in cheek.


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Marko

Wage discussions have yet to be held. You can expect a raise, and it would certainly be more than 10 pct, if the company is to prosper in the future in its current form.

prat985

Guys,

Trying to gather details to formulate a decision to NetJet if an offer comes in.

Could someone chime in to what a typical week of work would be like in a small cabin and large cabin with a 7/7 schedule.

Average legs a day, length of duty, overnight length etc..

And specifically if you fly 1st leg of the day and there is nothing scheduled on the other end at 10am in the morning how long can they keep you on duty?

MWilliams

It will be many years for new hires to see a position on any aircraft that is on the >40,000 scale. So think small and mid size cabin. You will regularly work 10+ hours per duty day. It could be flying multiple legs or sitting standby in the FBO.

Marko

Make that regularly 12 hrs of duty, often more. If you finish at 10am, count on staying at the fbo until 12 hrs of duty.

7273

The company schedules you for 12 hours EVERY DAY, whether its flying or sitting standby, it frequently ends up being 13 or 14 hours of duty. You will airline/ fly/ sit stby every day 1 through 7 and will be forced to call fatigue when you just cant take it anymore.

You will be lucky to find time to excercise once or twice a week, and will have no time to enjoy the cities you visit as 10 hour overnights are the norm. You are given 2 meals a day and are required to pay tax on the third if it is ordered. Some of the food is good, you will learn pretty quickly the cities to avoid ordering from.

You have no schedule while on the road and will frequently flip
from day to night to day again, and still be expected to manage
your rest to fit whatever schedule is given you. If it is legal you will get it and do it.

There are First officers with 10 years who have not upgraded and
there is no way to plan when you will upgrade due to no retirement
age. If you dont have 1000 hours pic this is not the place to get it as upgrades for new hires will be 10+ years.

With all that said your health care is free, you are based from one of the 100 cities, you dont travel on your days off, and the payroll is made on time. If you truly want to know what is taking place and
make an educated decision about your future go to: genuineqs.com and your questions will be answered.

Best of luck to those who are selected and choose to go but do so with eyes wide open, once you are on line and working you are nothing but a cost unit.

7273

The wages and working conditions of the NJASAP pilots are memorialized in the 2007 Amended Agreement that was negotiated as part of an unprecedented seven-month interest-based-bargaining effort. The agreement included an option that would allow management to extend the agreement for up to three additional years in accordance with a set of defined parameters. The Union made no secret of its interest in discussing the extension option with NetJets; however, management declined. On Dec. 27, 2012, NetJets sent NJASAP a formal Section 6 Notice to commence bargaining under the Railway Labor Act, advising the Association of the company’s intent to proceed into contract talks in 2013; NJASAP followed suit the next day.

On the first day of talks, senior management gave a presentation in which they outlined the four “pillars” that would focus their work at the bargaining table. The goals represented major concessions that demanded the pilots group accept compensation reductions, diminished job protection, and increased healthcare costs as well as surrender basic rights afforded to all union members. NJASAP Leadership viewed the proposal as outrageous not only in light of the professionalism, dedication and skill the pilots offer, but also given the company’s stellar financial performance in recent years. The NJASAP Membership has taken great exception to both the pace and direction contract talks have taken, viewing it as part of an unprecedented attack on organized employees and our contracts.

snippet from genuineqs.com

F16Driver

Long overnights are extremely, extremely rare. If anything, you are put on hotel standby duty to fill the gaps. Which means you have to be ready, if called, in 30 minutes. This can happen after you have just worked an 11 hour day. I think management does this to show positive utilization of all crews. Looks good on a PowerPoint presentation, not so much in real life.

Packrat

Do you think it's any different in 121? You're just a cost unit there too.

Marko

All good, except the health care is very far from free. Deductibles, copays, and many "issues" with insurance claims from a self-insured employer that is further subsidized into no premiums by wages well below that of our peers working at low cost and major carriers.