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Old 07-02-2012 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
You sound silly and naive because you are comparing CA pay with FO pay and justifying the low CA pay by saying "it's more than FO pay I would get if I was at XXX regional."

Isnt even apples and oranges... Apples and Volkswagen's, maybe
No you sound silly because you're missing the point. I'm comparing dollars to dollars in the career-years where every last one counts. I'm not saying this is better, I'm not saying it's worse. What I'm saying is, if you find yourself having to apply to Silver at least you have that to comfort "the blow".
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Old 07-02-2012 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperConductor
No you sound silly because you're missing the point. I'm comparing dollars to dollars in the career-years where every last one counts. I'm not saying this is better, I'm not saying it's worse. What I'm saying is, if you find yourself having to apply to Silver at least you have that to comfort "the blow".
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Old 07-02-2012 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperConductor
No you sound silly because you're missing the point. I'm comparing dollars to dollars in the career-years where every last one counts. I'm not saying this is better, I'm not saying it's worse. What I'm saying is, if you find yourself having to apply to Silver at least you have that to comfort "the blow".
Yes, but the captain rates above are what tell the tale, and while it may take a while to upgrade at another regional, those captain rates are far more and usually are on more substantial equipment. The silver job is not intended to be a serious job or anywhere that someone would stay(with the dream of one day making $50,000?), with that in mind, you gotta be thinking that IT'S A TRAP! with those pay rates, but the issue is that you are expecting it's 1000PIC and then off to a magical 121 carrier that pays $200,000/yr. This is exactly what Silver wants you to think and exactly why they pay what they do.
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Old 07-02-2012 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
then off to a magical 121 carrier that pays $200,000/yr. This is exactly what Silver wants you to think and exactly why they pay what they do.
Sounds like a regional industry epidemic. Unless you start then you're very young, most pilots will never see this income. That said, there is always contract flying in Asia.
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Old 07-02-2012 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
You sound silly and naive because you are comparing CA pay with FO pay and justifying the low CA pay by saying "it's more than FO pay I would get if I was at XXX regional."

Isnt even apples and oranges... Apples and Volkswagen's, maybe
No you sound silly because you're missing the point. I'm comparing dollars to dollars in the career-years where every last one counts. I'm not saying this is better, I'm not saying it's worse. What I'm saying is, if you find yourself having to apply to Silver at least you have that to comfort "the blow".
You're willing to accept a PIC position for any wage as long as its more than an RJ FO wage. This must make Silver's management very happy
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Old 07-02-2012 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
You're willing to accept a PIC position for any wage as long as its more than an RJ FO wage.
Well it's all about me right? I mean...screw every other pilot. I'd fly this thing for free just because it's flight time...I mean, I can't believe they pay me to do this!!!
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Old 07-02-2012 | 07:57 PM
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You're willing to accept a PIC position for any wage as long as its more than an RJ FO wage.
Well it's all about me right? I mean...screw every other pilot. I'd fly this thing for free just because it's flight time...I mean, I can't believe they pay me to do this!!!
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Old 07-02-2012 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DirectTo
Well it's all about me right? I mean...screw every other pilot. I'd fly this thing for free just because it's flight time...I mean, I can't believe they pay me to do this!!!
The commuter industry was never designed for you to make money at it. It's a place for you to gain seasoning and "pay your dues". If commuter pilots started to make any "real" money then the system would fail. If the major has to pay Mesa, PSA, Silver or any other commuter decent wages for pilots, dispatchers, rampers etc., then where would they be saving they money? You can say "well then the jobs would go back to the majors" but that is just not reality. Just do your time, deliver pizza on the side to make ends meet and quit your *****in. The average commuter pilot has it 100 times better than a commuter pilot did 12-15 years ago. BTW the reality of things is that a Silver pilot will probably find him/herself in the right seat of a major airline jet faster than just about any other commuter except the flow-through commuters.
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Old 07-03-2012 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by maxjet
The commuter industry was never designed for you to make money at it. It's a place for you to gain seasoning and "pay your dues". If commuter pilots started to make any "real" money then the system would fail. If the major has to pay Mesa, PSA, Silver or any other commuter decent wages for pilots, dispatchers, rampers etc., then where would they be saving they money? You can say "well then the jobs would go back to the majors" but that is just not reality. Just do your time, deliver pizza on the side to make ends meet and quit your *****in. The average commuter pilot has it 100 times better than a commuter pilot did 12-15 years ago. BTW the reality of things is that a Silver pilot will probably find him/herself in the right seat of a major airline jet faster than just about any other commuter except the flow-through commuters.
Give me a break!!! The commuter job still has all the responsibilities and requirements that the 747 International does. We just fly a smaller airplane with fewer people, so we should be paid less I agree, but this whole crap that it's not made for us to be compensated, it's just a steping stone is pure bull. When you start respecting yourself and seeing yourself as a professional, maybe then you will be treated as one. Not all layers seek the best and biggest partnerships, not all doctors want to work at the big hospitals and not all pilots want to be in the big shinny jet (most of us do) because of the QOL and pay... The regionals are not designed to pay my dues, the regionals are being used to outsource and create more 20k dollar jobs at the expense of the 150K dollar jobs!
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Old 07-03-2012 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperConductor
And why, pray-tell, would making $33/hr. amongst regional FO pay after six months be, "a joke".

Listen. Nobody said, first year FO pay anywhere in the regionals is a walk in the park. The way the payscales on this very site and the "Most JR BE-1900 Cap't times" express it is, at the 6 month stage, you're making $7/hr more than FO's at PSA, you're already making the same as a 5 year FO at Colgan. Am I wrong? Yes or no?

Further. It's a 2 year contract you can come out of with Turbine PIC.
$33/ hr for an FO is a joke and you think it's awesome for a captain. It is a joke.
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