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Old 10-01-2013, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk View Post
Pilot and mech,

You seem like a smart and experienced aviator. Silver woul be lucky to have you. The Saab isn't hard, most people get through training like any other airline, by studying hard and working with others in class. But I will say that any person I have seen struggle it is because they are not instrument current and PROFICIENT. Every time. You can't get ahead of the sim if you have to think about what is happening next on the approach. But I think you already know that. So brush up in your scan and procedures and get in a sim with a cfii or something.

Good luck!
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150% agree with all of this. Like you said yourself, there were guys getting through this kind of training with a lot less time then you have just a few months ago. As you prob already know time isnt all it takes but with your credentials I have no doubt you have the ability to be successful. Get instrument proficient and come on over. If you have any questions ask here or PM me if you dont want flamed.
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:15 PM
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Thanks to all. I do agree a person needs to be more than just current, so I'm working on it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotandmech View Post
I appreciate the advice, and it sounds no different from any other regional airline's training. My problem would definitely be the sim. I've been to myriads of airline training classes to include DC-9/MD-80, 737-1/2/3/5/7/8/9/ER, 757-2/3, 767, etc. A&P, Avionics and Electrical, etc. I don't understand how a 250 hr. pilot used to (until recently) get through training with only 6 sessions, or how Silver is going to ever find enough pilots to fill the seats if they wash a lot of pilots out. I thought maybe I'd be able to get current again, and, since I do hold an ATP (which should mean I can't be that bad.) I'd have a shot. I'm not giving up, though.
I like oldsf3dudes advice alot, he speaks with a certain amount of wisdom. And you asked about how 250 hour pilots were making it through in the past, it was a different world back then, new FO's could be held to a different training standard back then.

But here's the thing, and only you can answer it. Is a shot at the cockpit worth leaving your job for? Will you regret it later in life if you don't take your shot now? Being a pilot is no longer a high paying job at any airline, the only reason to do it is because you really like flying.

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Old 10-02-2013, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Propspilot View Post
If your guy was "weak" and couldnt hack the training he doesnt belong at an airline. .
I'm just going to leave this here since you're judging his sim partner to be weak. I also think its pretty ironic that it deals with your current employer.

His training records showed that, even though he completed all entry, training, and operating phases without a failure, the captain had experienced continuing difficulties with aircraft control. For example, during simulator periods 3 and 4, the captain was graded unsatisfactory in “approach to stall – landing configuration,” although he received a satisfactory grade in later sessions. During simulator period 7, the captain's altitude and airspeed control was unacceptable, and comments included, “airspeed more than 10 knots below Vref + 10. Fly correct airspeed!” “airspeed 10 knots below Vref crossing threshold,” “gear remains up during entire approach,” and “repeated deviation from altitude 200-300 feet.”

During simulator period 8, the instructor noted, “basic attitude flying cause of repeated deviations,” “constant deviations up to full scale on glide slope,” and “additional training required.” All maneuvers were graded satisfactory the next day (by the same instructor as the day before) during an extra ninth simulator period, and the simulator checkride was completed that same day.

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The captain completed his IOE at GIA in 34.8 hours, and training captains made several positive remarks, such as “good progress,” “getting better,” and “good job, signed off from IOE.”

However, the director pointed out that, to be hired, pilots must have at least three letters of recommendation from captains in their file, and no such letters were found for the captain.

Good pilots have been washed out of the ranks at GIA/Silver that shouldn't have. Some in my own classes and they're now at other regionals. Silver is not some Mecca where only the best brightest pilots make it through.

@Pilotmechanic I'd brush up in a Frasca 142 (something set up as a twin to help you adjust to the faster speeds) and get your scan back in order. You'll do just fine in training you're already used to the fire hose of airline training. If you can manage your current job and flying I think you're golden and I'd do it too! Nothing beats being able to fly and still have a decent income.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotandmech View Post
Thanks to all. I do agree a person needs to be more than just current, so I'm working on it.
FWIW, I went through the GIA 1900 Space Shuttle academy with 275 hours, and the Saab transition not even 10 months later with about 850 hours. Don't let anyone tell you it cant be done. It seems to me that you are more than qualified. Like many have said, just get current, fly some instrument procedures, and come to training with an open mind. Most of the guys who didn't hack it with thousands of hours did so because they were stubborn and hard-headed from their previous airline experiences and thus were "untrainable." Like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks....but you can't teach a stupid dog new tricks either. Just come as prepared as possible, and if you have any questions, feel free to PM any one of us an we'd be happy to help.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350 View Post
I'm just going to leave this here since you're judging his sim partner to be weak.
These were oldsf3dudes words, not mine, hence the quotes.

If your going to continue to post here, even though you've lost all credibility, you have nothing of value to contribute to this forum and people have asked you to seek life elsewhere. At least pay attention.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:06 AM
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Well... things must be looking up.

Gone from being an Academy to a University!
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350 View Post
Don't give up.... If you want to go there than go, but maybe get a little more than just current before heading to sims. It's a lot to take in under a short timeframe.

Well said. If you can do approaches to ATP standards prior to day one of class you will be fine. In all honesty the sims were for me and several others the easiest part of training.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DPApilot View Post
Agreed. Don't let someone on the Internet tell you you're not gonna make it...!

Ha!
Dude. I LOL'ed.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DPApilot View Post
Agreed. Don't let someone on the Internet tell you you're not gonna make it...!

Ha!
You're not going to make it.


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