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02-20-2019, 06:52 AM
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[QUOTE=themenace321;2767233]
The Flight Release will indicate PIC and SIC, if required. Again, AC 135-43 provides requirements for the SIC PDP program.
Surely, (no pun intended) a mentor pilot for those working for Mokulele could shed light as to the provisions contained in their Ops Specs.
IMO the CFI route is far more valuable than a P2P operation. Its a matter of an investment, which may provide a return, versus an expense which is just that... and expense.
Originally Posted by captjns
I would not encourage a Second in Command to log flight time as PIC especially when the individual is listed as SIC on the release. The intent of AC 135-43 is to allow a Part 135 operation to establish a Second in Command Pilot Development Program which allows SIC to log time towards their total time.
In think Boeing Aviator can provide confirmation as to Mokulele whether they have an established FAA approved SIC PDP. He can probably confirm whether or not Mokulele is or is not a P2P shop.
In think Boeing Aviator can provide confirmation as to Mokulele whether they have an established FAA approved SIC PDP. He can probably confirm whether or not Mokulele is or is not a P2P shop.
I dont know if you know this guy Swayne Martin that does youtube videos who flew for Mokulele to time build. He is now at Envoy as a first officer.
I am not sure what would be different if you act as a SIC and logging time towards your TT. Wouldnt you log TT in any flight anyways? The PIC time or dual given is my concern, because anyone can log TT easily but the airlines wants to see either PIC or dual given.
I am not sure what would be different if you act as a SIC and logging time towards your TT. Wouldnt you log TT in any flight anyways? The PIC time or dual given is my concern, because anyone can log TT easily but the airlines wants to see either PIC or dual given.
Surely, (no pun intended) a mentor pilot for those working for Mokulele could shed light as to the provisions contained in their Ops Specs.
IMO the CFI route is far more valuable than a P2P operation. Its a matter of an investment, which may provide a return, versus an expense which is just that... and expense.
02-22-2019, 04:26 AM
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[QUOTE=captjns;2767363]
The Flight Release will indicate PIC and SIC, if required. Again, AC 135-43 provides requirements for the SIC PDP program.
Surely, (no pun intended) a mentor pilot for those working for Mokulele could shed light as to the provisions contained in their Ops Specs.
IMO the CFI route is far more valuable than a P2P operation. Its a matter of an investment, which may provide a return, versus an expense which is just that... and expense.
By the new reg the PDP program proves that previous logging was not legal except for some IFR under certain conditions. The new reg tells you any previous SIC logging is not retroactive.. doesn’t count .
Why don’t you people read what it says. It is simple unless 135 operator participate in PDP one can not log SIC period .
Now , it is different subject why regionals has been excepting previous SIC time when they should not have .
Originally Posted by themenace321
The Flight Release will indicate PIC and SIC, if required. Again, AC 135-43 provides requirements for the SIC PDP program.
Surely, (no pun intended) a mentor pilot for those working for Mokulele could shed light as to the provisions contained in their Ops Specs.
IMO the CFI route is far more valuable than a P2P operation. Its a matter of an investment, which may provide a return, versus an expense which is just that... and expense.
Why don’t you people read what it says. It is simple unless 135 operator participate in PDP one can not log SIC period .
Now , it is different subject why regionals has been excepting previous SIC time when they should not have .
02-22-2019, 02:30 PM
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Mokulele Airlines loses about 24 employees after purchase
HONOLULU — Southern Airways says it is laying off 10 percent of Mokulele Airlines' staff after acquiring the Big Island-based carrier earlier this month. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the airline confirmed Thursday that it has cut about two dozen employees, mostly ground staff in Hawaii. The airline previously said the airline would absorb all of Mokulele's employees following the deal that closed Feb. 8. Mokulele president Rob McKinney said in a letter to employees that the staffing changes were a "short-term pain necessary to ensure the longevity of our brand." Southern chief marketing officer Keith Sisson says the carrier hopes the cuts are short-lived. Southern Airways became the largest commuter airline operator after acquiring Mokulele. It now serves 30 cities across five U.S. time zones.
Oh well.
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HONOLULU — Southern Airways says it is laying off 10 percent of Mokulele Airlines' staff after acquiring the Big Island-based carrier earlier this month. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the airline confirmed Thursday that it has cut about two dozen employees, mostly ground staff in Hawaii. The airline previously said the airline would absorb all of Mokulele's employees following the deal that closed Feb. 8. Mokulele president Rob McKinney said in a letter to employees that the staffing changes were a "short-term pain necessary to ensure the longevity of our brand." Southern chief marketing officer Keith Sisson says the carrier hopes the cuts are short-lived. Southern Airways became the largest commuter airline operator after acquiring Mokulele. It now serves 30 cities across five U.S. time zones.
Oh well.
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02-22-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PT6LOL
By the new reg the PDP program proves that previous logging was not legal except for some IFR under certain conditions. The new reg tells you any previous SIC logging is not retroactive.. doesn’t count .
Why don’t you people read what it says. It is simple unless 135 operator participate in PDP one can not log SIC period .
Now , it is different subject why regionals has been excepting previous SIC time when they should not have .
02-22-2019, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Mokulele Airlines loses about 24 employees after purchase
HONOLULU — Southern Airways says it is laying off 10 percent of Mokulele Airlines' staff after acquiring the Big Island-based carrier earlier this month. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the airline confirmed Thursday that it has cut about two dozen employees, mostly ground staff in Hawaii. The airline previously said the airline would absorb all of Mokulele's employees following the deal that closed Feb. 8. Mokulele president Rob McKinney said in a letter to employees that the staffing changes were a "short-term pain necessary to ensure the longevity of our brand." Southern chief marketing officer Keith Sisson says the carrier hopes the cuts are short-lived. Southern Airways became the largest commuter airline operator after acquiring Mokulele. It now serves 30 cities across five U.S. time zones.
Oh well.
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HONOLULU — Southern Airways says it is laying off 10 percent of Mokulele Airlines' staff after acquiring the Big Island-based carrier earlier this month. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the airline confirmed Thursday that it has cut about two dozen employees, mostly ground staff in Hawaii. The airline previously said the airline would absorb all of Mokulele's employees following the deal that closed Feb. 8. Mokulele president Rob McKinney said in a letter to employees that the staffing changes were a "short-term pain necessary to ensure the longevity of our brand." Southern chief marketing officer Keith Sisson says the carrier hopes the cuts are short-lived. Southern Airways became the largest commuter airline operator after acquiring Mokulele. It now serves 30 cities across five U.S. time zones.
Oh well.
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02-25-2019, 09:07 PM
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[QUOTE=PT6LOL;2768460]
By the new reg the PDP program proves that previous logging was not legal except for some IFR under certain conditions. The new reg tells you any previous SIC logging is not retroactive.. doesn’t count .
Why don’t you people read what it says. It is simple unless 135 operator participate in PDP one can not log SIC period .
Now , it is different subject why regionals has been excepting previous SIC time when they should not have .
so you said according to the reg, unless the operator is participated in PDP or otherwise logging SIC is not legal?
Originally Posted by captjns
By the new reg the PDP program proves that previous logging was not legal except for some IFR under certain conditions. The new reg tells you any previous SIC logging is not retroactive.. doesn’t count .
Why don’t you people read what it says. It is simple unless 135 operator participate in PDP one can not log SIC period .
Now , it is different subject why regionals has been excepting previous SIC time when they should not have .
02-25-2019, 09:17 PM
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[QUOTE=themenace321;2770524]
so you said according to the reg, unless the operator is participated in PDP or otherwise logging SIC is not legal?
One can only log SIC time if required by aircraft type certificate, or regulation.
Originally Posted by PT6LOL
so you said according to the reg, unless the operator is participated in PDP or otherwise logging SIC is not legal?
02-26-2019, 12:30 AM
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[QUOTE=themenace321;2770524]
so you said according to the reg, unless the operator is participated in PDP or otherwise logging SIC is not legal?
No. PT6LOL made the statement.
AC135-43 is succinct how to have operators include, in their Ops Specs the requirement of SICs on aircraft that have been certified for single pilot operations. For example, a low time pilot would be better off getting a job with an operator that has the Phenom or little Cessna jet in their fleets. Far more credible time than SIC in a C208.
Originally Posted by PT6LOL
so you said according to the reg, unless the operator is participated in PDP or otherwise logging SIC is not legal?
No. PT6LOL made the statement.
AC135-43 is succinct how to have operators include, in their Ops Specs the requirement of SICs on aircraft that have been certified for single pilot operations. For example, a low time pilot would be better off getting a job with an operator that has the Phenom or little Cessna jet in their fleets. Far more credible time than SIC in a C208.
02-26-2019, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
No. PT6LOL made the statement.
AC135-43 is succinct how to have operators include, in their Ops Specs the requirement of SICs on aircraft that have been certified for single pilot operations. For example, a low time pilot would be better off getting a job with an operator that has the Phenom or little Cessna jet in their fleets. Far more credible time than SIC in a C208.
02-26-2019, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
PT6LOL has personal experience with FAA not accepting SIC time in C208 at Mokulele.
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